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Re: Could the tide be turning
Neemo wrote:i think a good benchmark for this theory would be St Anger to Death Magnetic
Did Metallica come back with just James? (Maybe they did...not a huge Metallica fan)
If not, the comparison is even a bigger stretch than it would have been anyway. Metallica didn't go 15 years between releases.
No, but they came back with an album sounding like it was made in a back alley by a homeless person. If the label can put a good spin on that they could surely put a good spin on a one man Gn'R with good to great material.
Enter sick fantasy about Axl and Slash making a "some kind of monster" docu. They could put that shit in theaters.
Re: Could the tide be turning
Yeah but 2 million albums back when ST Anger came out and 2 million when Death Magnetic came out are HUGELY different 2 million sellers.
The industry has went down to the point, selling 2 millon DM would be like selling 4 million St Angers.
Death Magnetic is a GREAT album. no idea how people hate on that disc. Its fantastic all the way through.
Re: Could the tide be turning
buzzsaw wrote:Neemo wrote:i think a good benchmark for this theory would be St Anger to Death Magnetic
Did Metallica come back with just James? (Maybe they did...not a huge Metallica fan)
If not, the comparison is even a bigger stretch than it would have been anyway. Metallica didn't go 15 years between releases.
No, but they came back with an album sounding like it was made in a back alley by a homeless person. If the label can put a good spin on that they could surely put a good spin on a one man Gn'R with good to great material.
Okay. They could, but clearly they aren't all that interested in doing so. Everybody acknowledges that Axl's attitude towards the record company limits their interest in helping him. Axl clearly isn't interested in helping himself either, so those things aren't going to change.
Let's stick with the subject instead of deflecting it to something everyone understands is part of the problem. That's not what we're talking about here.
Re: Could the tide be turning
I can agree with this statement: CD would/could have been a much larger hit if Axl wasn't allergic to authority and compromise.
Point I'm trying to make is that success for new Gn'R is not necessarily dependent on Slash coming back, but it is dependent on it if Axl doesn't change his attitude.
- monkeychow
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Re: Could the tide be turning
You're operating under the assumption that album 2 is actually done and not going to be tinkered with. I have no idea why you would operate under that assumption.
Those other bands cost quite a bit less to make an album, so it's easier to turn a profit.
Oh i'm sure there will be some tinkering. But most accounts list tracks close to completion. We know that bumble has played on tracks we don't have. It's really a matter of adding DJ and a little bit of Axl's digital messing around.
The budget for that wouldn't need to be very high....we know DJ completes his guitar parts using Eleven on protools HD that he has in his own studio...(he did this on Sixx Am, and Motley Crue)...both DJ and Bumble have studios - and I'd be surprised if Axl or the others didn't also have such equipment or access to it at a reasonable rates.
There's no real reason for recording costs to get into any significant sum of money. A new project would be different - but one that's 3/4 complete - no.
My point is - at this point the tinkering costs would be less than the cost of producting a full album for a smaller band - and those bands are profitable.
Re: Could the tide be turning
Let's stick with the subject instead of deflecting it to something everyone understands is part of the problem. That's not what we're talking about here.
Right.
Ok, so back to the next step:
So...if people streamed it and didn't like it, and people bought it and didn't like it, it's reasonable to expect that sales would be lower for a subsequent album, correct?
That argument was proved invalid with the Metallica example.
Next!
- monkeychow
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Re: Could the tide be turning
Yeah could go both ways....I could see him just never getting around to announcing a new album to avoid remaking another CD drama....at the same time...when you are creative there's an urge to share your gift...so I'd hope he'd want to share some more songs with the world at some stage. I just hope the business shit can be sorted out to a point where it can happen easily.
