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Re: The bottom line
The man is still capable of a great performance and once in a blue moon, produce good music. In this day and age that gives you a lot of leeway. To me it's hardly a consolation that a McDonalds burger is reliable and on time when it tastes like crap. That's the majority of the musical scene today. Professional to the bone, but shit.
I saw Faith No More and Metallica a few years ago, talk about phoning it in. I'd rather wait a few hours for a real rockstar.
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The thing is, it's not THEIR band.
Axl Rose stole the ball from the band, and took it home and never gave it back.
So we sit here constantly wanting to know what he's doing with our ball, or when he's gonna let us play with it again.
THAT is Guns N' Roses as it exists today, and it's the reason psychologically Axl brings so much negativity and pressure on himself. He's cursed without the real band.
And yes, i'm totally serious.
omg that vid is just perfect
so funny. well played.
I have to give full credit to madagas for making that original comparison in another thread.
- monkeychow
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Re: The bottom line
I guess for me the thing is I really like the songs Axl writes, and I've come to the conclusion that he writes them when he writes them.
Sure, it would be awesome if he shat out an awesome song every night and released it live to the net each morning. But that's clearly not how his abilities work....so to get pissy that he's not doing something in an ideal way is kinda silly...he does what he does...no more and no less.
To me - if it takes Axl another 10 years to release another song - well sure i'd have liked it sooner - but it takes what it takes him to do it - and so far to my ears the songs have always been great - so I'm prepared to be happy with what we do get - rather than long for the impossible.
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But see the problem with that is the theory of "their band".
I think DJ, Ron, Richard, Tommy, Dizzy & Chris (not sure about Frank), would've been ready to write at least 1-2 albums by this point, just from 2009 to the present.
Axl keeps them from doing that, because "he's not ready", and obviously "he's Guns N' Roses".
So whether it's the old band or the new band, Axl Rose is once again the one stonewalling new music because of HIS timetable. Not the band's, not ours.
And once again it comes right back on him as the problem. I think if Slash, Duff & Izzy had not been so productive, Axl would be seen in a better light. But Slash & Duff have done 2 albums together, Slash has done 3 albums solo, Izzy has done like dozen, and Duff's done like 3-4 solo albums.
Same with the new band... Robin's stuff with NIN, Bucket's got 30 albums, Ron's got a couple, DJ's done two with Sixx:AM, Tommy's done several whether solo or with Soul Asylum, Brain's done TONS of stuff with Bucket, with the only real holdouts being Richard, Dizzy & Chris.
Axl in the same span of time has ONE to show for it.
It just looks bad on him. Period. If I went the same period of time, and was never involved with a girl, people wouldn't look at me as "having relationships on my timetable" and trying to understand my emotional attachment to the stuff.... they'd look at me as a fuckin' weirdo and want to know why I haven't had as many sluts in my bed as them.
Just the God's honest truth there...
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Anyone but me ever considered the fact that maybe, just MAYBE, CD took so long cause the new guys were unable to write quality enough material Axl deemed worthy to be worked on or released??
Remember that interview where he talked about the standard or whatever it was the old band left.
CD is dominated by Axl's piano stuff etc and the rest is average guitar riffs with great Bucket solos over top. Rest of the album is heavily Axl for the most part. Guitars for me werent progressive or changed on purpose.. u usually heavily LAYER when u feel u don't have greatness and u need to cover glaring holes..
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the intention behind Axl's vision meant CD was always going to be heavily layered whether it meant Slash & Zakk (& Paul) or BH/Robin/Paul/Ron (& 4tus).
the sole lack of greatness is explained sufficiently in your first point, which, yes thanks 4 asking, we've all considered
how do you replace the guys who wrote brownstone & dust n bones w/robin finck
nvrmnd the actual hit songs. which in fairness the closest BH has got to a hit song is in the couple of weeks he spent in GnR re-recording AFD.
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Once again -- still comes down to being Axl's fault. If he can't rebuild the band he decided to move on with with capable musicians and writers, it still all falls on him.
Frankly I don't buy it for a second. Buckethead and Tommy Stinson both are amazing musicians who write quality material solo. Their best stuff combined with Axl's piano ballads, and Dizzy & Chris backing them structured synth-based songs... BOOM, solid album right there.
If CD is "perfection" to Axl, I have a little 12-track LP to show him that came out in 1987.
- monkeychow
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Re: The bottom line
Axl keeps them from doing that, because "he's not ready", and obviously "he's Guns N' Roses".
So whether it's the old band or the new band, Axl Rose is once again the one stonewalling new music because of HIS timetable. Not the band's, not ours.
And once again it comes right back on him as the problem.
It does but then he's also the solution, so what is one to do.
Think about it...DJ+Singer = Sixx AM style record - good stong album no complaints. But I'm pretty sure DJ+Axl will be superior to that. Just as Axl+Slash was better than Slash and anyone else he's worked with.
So I mean, sure, he's the problem in terms of delays. I have no doubt DJ could whipp me up a CD of riffs in a couple of weeks.....but it's Axl's brain that's going to add that magic that's going to elevate it to the next level - and if that brain only makes songs on some crazy-slow timetable then to me - that's a shame but just the way it has to be.
