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- tejastech08
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Re: GN'R Nominated for Hall of Fame
They WERE anti establishment but not based out of any conscious reasoning or anything. They were drunks and junkies. They're all pushing 50 years old now and all seem to have a different outlook on life. Telling the RRHOF to go fuck themselves isn't cool at this stage. That won't prove anything. Not for Guns N' Roses. It won't make them any more legit, they wont' earn their "street cred" back. The cool thing to do is to accept it, show up and reflect on what was an amazing run. They deserve it whether it actually means anything or not they deserve it. They left their finger prints on the industry and the world via the hearts of millions of fans. Why not go and appreciate what you've accomplished.
People grow up(Axl well that's debateable), they aren't gonna sit around being anti establsihment and over the top rebellious forever. It's kinda silly to wish for that. People who act that way all their lives are refered to as losers in everyday life so why would it be cool to see them in their 50's be anti establishment and over the top rebellious?
Axl is a prime example. His antics back in the day were somewhat cool. At this stage though he gets a LOT of flak for it because it's just not cool anymore.
There is something to be said for sticking to your guns (pun NOT intended 
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Re: GN'R Nominated for Hall of Fame
There is something to be said for sticking to your guns (pun NOT intended
I suppose if your goal is to be looked at by the majority as a bitter old loser who's washed up and past their prime yet still thinks they are the hottest fucking thing on the planet.
I guess in my opinion regardless of how you behaved when you were younger there's also something to be said for maturing and showing some class and appreciating what you've been given, aknowledging how fortunate you've been in life, rather than spit in the face of it all and acting above it. I don't know. I guess I just don't see how telling the RRHOF to fuck off benifits anyone on any level.
- tejastech08
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Re: GN'R Nominated for Hall of Fame
tejastech08 wrote:There is something to be said for sticking to your guns (pun NOT intended
I suppose if your goal is to be looked at by the majority as a bitter old loser who's washed up and past their prime yet still thinks they are the hottest fucking thing on the planet.
I guess in my opinion regardless of how you behaved when you were younger there's also something to be said for maturing and showing some class and appreciating what you've been given, aknowledging how fortunate you've been in life, rather than spit in the face of it all and acting above it. I don't know. I guess I just don't see how telling the RRHOF to fuck off benifits anyone on any level.
Well there is the simple fact that it's based almost entirely on Jann Wenner playing political games. If he likes you, you're in. If he doesn't, you're borderline. For instance, Rolling Stone trashed every album Zeppelin ever made but when it came time for the Hall of Fame, they were forced to admit they fucked up. Zeppelin's impact on the music industry was too big to ignore. Other artists aren't so fortunate. Look what's going on with the likes of Deep Purple, KISS, or Rush. Wenner is blackballing them. That alone is reason enough for Axl or any other musician to say "fuck you" to the Hall of Fame.
Re: GN'R Nominated for Hall of Fame
Guns N' Roses, Heart, Cure, Joan Jett Among First-Time Rock Hall Nominees
Posted Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:18am PDT by Chris Willman
First, let’s address the most burning question surrounding the 2011 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nominations: No, Rush didn’t make the cut, again. Let the annual wailing and gnashing of teeth begin!
But, the great prog blackout notwithstanding, some other traditional oversights did get addressed with this year’s round of 15 nods.
Most gratifyingly, rock’s female pioneers of the mid-‘70s are finally getting a shot at getting their due. It’s sometimes seemed as if the Rock Hall doesn’t believe women did much of anything between Janis’ death and the Madonna nation’s birth. But now they're coming straight on for you! The figures who arguably did the most to advance women in rock in the Me Decade, Heart and Joan Jett, both picked up first-time nominations.
So did Rufus with Chaka Khan. Two previous women nominees associated with the era, Laura Nyro and Donna Summer, are also back among this year’s mix of contenders. (Maybe the nominating committee actually visited the Hall of Fame's new "Women Who Rock" exhibit this summer?)
The other area of obvious emphasis: the late ‘80s dudes who helped make up the second generation of MTV rock stars. Guns N’ Roses and the Cure are up for the first time, joined by second-time nominees the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Surely this town ain’t big enough for all three of ‘em. Will Anthony be telling Axl to put a sock in it? Or will Rose tell Kiedis to put a scarf on it?
And then there’s late ‘80s hip-hop, with first-time nominees Eric B. & Rakim pitted against the Beastie Boys, who are trying for induction a second time. You’ve got to fight for your right to… Parma! (Sorry, a little joke there for the Rock Hall’s hometown, Cleveland.)
The nominee slate is rounded out by the usual potpourri of strange bedfellows that include the Spinners, the Small Faces/Faces, War, Donovan, and Freddy King.
You can expect the usual howls of protest, since there’s no national pastime that brings the nation together quite like carping about the Rock Hall’s choices every year.
Much of it will take the traditional form of “You consider that rock & roll?” — often (but not always) directed at the R&B, rap, or soul performers included on the list. Expect the inclusion of soul favorites Rufus and the Spinners, rappers Erik B. & Rakim, and bluesman King to draw protests from the folks who want to define rock strictly as a genre and not a cross-cultural movement. (For good measure, they might even throw in the folkie Donovan as someone whose yellow is too mellow to be "rock.")
And then there will be the “no Geddy, no peace” contingent. For the record, yes, it is a crime against humanity—resolvable only by a war-crimes tribunal—that none of the following have ever been nominated: T. Rex, the Smiths, Yes, Jethro Tull, Devo, Todd Rundgren, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Roxy Music, Willie Nelson, Warren Zevon, the Replacements, ELO, Chubby Checker, Hall and Oates, Los Lobos, Black Flag, X, the B-52s, Dick Dale, the Flying Burrito Brothers, Nick Drake, Captain Beefheart, Sonic Youth, and the Go-Go’s. Agreed!
Special nods of woe, also, to some deserving acts who were nominated in the past but failed to get in, who the nominating committee has probably given up on trying to sneak past the general voters: Gram Parsons (even the third time wasn’t the charm, back in 2005), Ben E. King (another three-time nominee, though his last turn at bat came in 1988), the Shangri-Las, Ben E. King, Carole King, the MC5, the New York Dolls, Johnny Ace, Kraftwerk, the Sir Douglas Quintet, and Lou Reed.
So who stands the best chances this year?
Voters tend to not pick more than one from each subgenre. And unfortunately, they’ll probably think of “women” as a subgenre. Joan Jett looks like the strongest bet, partly because voters will also be thinking of the Runaways, who’ve never gotten a nomination (possibly because the committee can’t bear to reward Lita Ford). Heart may be viewed, unfairly, as not cool enough, while Nyro will probably still be too cool to get in.
If only one hip-hop act is likely to make it in, that one act is likelier to be the still-active one, the Beastie Boys, even though the general votership denied their rights before.
After Jett and the Beasties, though, it’s anyone’s guess who might take the other three winning slots. Who knows if the Chili Peppers will benefit from their survivor status or suffer from the somewhat indifferent reaction to their new album?
The biggest question mark is GNR, still viewed as cheeseball by much (but hardly all) of the critical establishment and intelligentsia. Axl’s megalomania doesn’t exactly foster a sentiment-fueled vote, either. But the popular impact is undeniable. And, of course, there’s the reunion curiosity factor: How many of us wouldn’t vote for GNR just to see if Rose and Slash can get back together on stage and make it through a single number without yanking one another's headpieces off?
The idea that induction will force a reunion performance can be a false hope, though... as fans who expected to see Creedence or ABBA getting it together for one night unhappily learned. You can lead the long-busted band to the awards-show trough, but you can’t make ‘em drink through their differences.
If there's no patch-up in store, it would still be pretty wonderful to hear a couple of rock's highest voices in harmony—say, Ann Wilson wailing on "Welcome to the Jungle" and Axl going "Crazy on You." Just saying...
Which nominees would you like to see make it to the final five? And who’s the most egregious ongoing shut-out?
- tejastech08
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Re: GN'R Nominated for Hall of Fame
Still viewed as cheeseball eh? When were they viewed as cheeseball to begin with? Cheeseball is Bon Jovi or Journey.
Re: GN'R Nominated for Hall of Fame
Since everyone knows what Axl thinks, I thought I would actually quote him on the RRHOF......
In a 2008 fan forum interview, Axl Rose was asked about the possibility of a Guns N' Roses reunion at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. "Never thought about that," he wrote. "Not to offend anyone but personally I don’t have an interest and other than inducting Elton don’t quite get what it is exactly and who decides what. It seems to mean more to some than others and more so amongst fans. It’s nice to get recognition and have some form of acceptance but in regards to joining others the price is too high and just not worth it. It’s a ways away and seems a bit presumptuous to be contemplating being inducted now."
- tejastech08
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Re: GN'R Nominated for Hall of Fame
Since everyone knows what Axl thinks, I thought I would actually quote him on the RRHOF......
In a 2008 fan forum interview, Axl Rose was asked about the possibility of a Guns N' Roses reunion at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. "Never thought about that," he wrote. "Not to offend anyone but personally I don’t have an interest and other than inducting Elton don’t quite get what it is exactly and who decides what. It seems to mean more to some than others and more so amongst fans. It’s nice to get recognition and have some form of acceptance but in regards to joining others the price is too high and just not worth it. It’s a ways away and seems a bit presumptuous to be contemplating being inducted now."
Posted it on page 2. 
Re: GN'R Nominated for Hall of Fame
so, in 2008, Axl wasn't telling anyone to fuck off or whatever. He simply says "the price is too high" and is not worth it to him. I would go out on a limb and say that is still how he feels now. He is not ripping the RRHOF...he is just not sure on a reunion.
Re: GN'R Nominated for Hall of Fame
madagas wrote:Since everyone knows what Axl thinks, I thought I would actually quote him on the RRHOF......
In a 2008 fan forum interview, Axl Rose was asked about the possibility of a Guns N' Roses reunion at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. "Never thought about that," he wrote. "Not to offend anyone but personally I don’t have an interest and other than inducting Elton don’t quite get what it is exactly and who decides what. It seems to mean more to some than others and more so amongst fans. It’s nice to get recognition and have some form of acceptance but in regards to joining others the price is too high and just not worth it. It’s a ways away and seems a bit presumptuous to be contemplating being inducted now."
Posted it on page 2.
stealing my thunder all day....:D
