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The Tom Zutaut incident is one of the most disturbing single moments in the history of CD. Granted, Axl's outburst just didn't happen because there were other people in the screening. There'd obviously been some other underpinnings which stemmed from a hellacious year to get the album together. Doesnt take a genius to realize Axl had been under massive pressure by his own accord, as well as the affiliated parties.
What Zutaut has been hinting at all these years is that the Malibu Mafia crossed him. His take is that they'd whispered to Axl about Zoot's unreliability and set him up with false expectations on the nature of the screening. Axl walks in, feels wary with Zoot, finds all these people, and thinks, "Well, Tom must be full of shit for all I know!"
The curious bit in this scenario, to me at least, is the reason to oust Zoot. I can see the Lebeis clan growing restless throughout 2001, as the balance of power had been shifted. Zoot communicated with the band, ironed out a lot of interpersonal issues among the band/crew which had been lost with Axl, and got songs done.
The only reason I can imagine as to why Zoot was ousted is rather plain; had he stayed, he would've eventually gotten an album out of Axl in around 2002. Sounds a bit daft to fire the guy who gets the job done - and to hold a grudge enough to throw him out of the release party seven years later. Mr Fernando Lebeis, I'm looking at you on the last one.
Then again, that's UYI all over again. Axl bucking out when he was supposed to deliver. Maybe the truth lies in the middle, with the Mafia witnessing Axl's insecurity with the album as it shaped into something and was about to face scrutiny with the label and the public.
After almost completing the album, Ax dismissed both RTB and Zoot and reverted to doing orchestrations on the brink of the 2002 tour. Quite obviously, he had no firm intentions to meet any project milestones / deadlines, imposed by either his camp or the record company.
I believe he always wanted to release the album with the new band, but his actions have proven he really, really had a hard time believing either the album or the band were good enough.
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After almost completing the album, Ax dismissed both RTB and Zoot and reverted to doing orchestrations on the brink of the 2002 tour. Quite obviously, he had no firm intentions to meet any project milestones / deadlines, imposed by either his camp or the record company.
I believe he always wanted to release the album with the new band, but his actions have proven he really, really had a hard time believing either the album or the band were good enough.
That does seem to be the case. I think Axl knew all the pressure was on him. He was really in a no win situation. Most people viewed him as the reason the classic lineup fell apart, whether you agree with that or not. He knew he was up against it, and had a steep hill to climb. So while I LOVE Chinese Democracy, I'm sure Axl wanted to release the best album possible that could live up to GNR standards. I think he accomplished that goal, albeit 8 years or so too late. But I can certainly understand the trepidation he may have had throughout the process.
Like he said to Kurt Loder after the 2002 VMA performance, they were doing something that had never been done before by replacing pretty much the entire band and crew. It's not an easy task, especially if you want to be taken seriously or maintain the level of success and notoriety. Obviously GNR isn't what it used to be in those terms. But in a sense, it's amazing they've remained as relevant as they have, as crazy as that may sound.
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But in a sense, it's amazing they've remained as relevant as they have, as crazy as that may sound.
yeah but are "they" relevant or is Guns N' Roses relevant? Do you know what I mean? Guns n' Roses will always be relevant in that classic rock band way. This current incarnation in my opinion is not relevant whatsoever and I don't say that to be negative. I say it because it's true. Nothing the "Slashless" version of Guns has done is relevant to anyone other than a handful of fans on the internet. Velvet Revolver is still played on radio far more often than anything off CD, Slash's solo album(though much newer) will likely have singles off it played much longer than anything off CD. Maybe being relevant to a handful of internet fans is all that matters but it's the back catelogue and the the old band that has kept them relevant. In fact Slash has done more over the years on his own to keep the Gn'R legacy relevant than Axl has.....
I'm just saying. 
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I agree with Bono. "They" aren't relevant on any level.
That brand name is, and the fact the media always knows a full-blown trainwreck is imminent with Axl Rose the helm.
I don't know if it's just the fact i'm too close to all of this, following GN'R closely on the 'net for the last decade, so i'm just bored...
But I can't believe Axl's shenanigans still makes the frontpage of Yahoo. I didn't know that many people even cared.
And of course, like clockwork, the first 200 comments on every news story is "fuck Axl, he broke up the band", "not the real Guns N' Roses", "fake GN'R", etc.
There's one way to solve that though.... but Axl's too PUSSY to do it.
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When the Fink Tank left, the band lost all legitimate post Slash in my eyes.
Too bad Kurt Cobain killed himself, it would be awesome to see him bury bands like Guns N' Roses again.
However, Axl did mighty fine in that department with the huge blunder Chinese Democracy was.
Who doesn't promo your own album? Oh wait only an idiot would stay at home and twiddle their thumbs and not get back their CD guitarists.
I used to care about this band, but time went on and they're in the I am embarrassed I actually liked that artist category.
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faldor wrote:But in a sense, it's amazing they've remained as relevant as they have, as crazy as that may sound.
yeah but are "they" relevant or is Guns N' Roses relevant? Do you know what I mean? Guns n' Roses will always be relevant in that classic rock band way. This current incarnation in my opinion is not relevant whatsoever and I don't say that to be negative. I say it because it's true. Nothing the "Slashless" version of Guns has done is relevant to anyone other than a handful of fans on the internet. Velvet Revolver is still played on radio far more often than anything off CD, Slash's solo album(though much newer) will likely have singles off it played much longer than anything off CD. Maybe being relevant to a handful of internet fans is all that matters but it's the back catelogue and the the old band that has kept them relevant. In fact Slash has done more over the years on his own to keep the Gn'R legacy relevant than Axl has.....
I'm just saying.
I get that, I realize it's the BRAND moreso than the actual current lineup. I wholeheartedly agree that the general public could care less about anyone other than Axl these days. And less and less people care about him with each passing day. Regardless of why or how much they remain relevant, they are still touring and playing large festivals (outside of the US). Despite plenty of people hating Axl. Despite Axl not doing any press or promotion. That's all I was saying. Trust me, I wasn't insinuating that everyone in the world is embracing this lineup. Not even close. Sure, they're going off the strength of their back catalog, but I'm still surprised how they're able to pull things off, as infrequently as it may seem. EVERY time they go on tour, people say it'll be the last one. Nobody wants to take a chance on them anymore. Well, they're still chugging along. As long as they keep playing the hits, I guess they still have some life.
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Either way, it was fucking disgusting that Axl didn't immediately give them permission to use the original song. Those men were killed and their bodies desecrated in the streets of Mogadishu and Jungle was the last song they ever heard.
As usual, it just turned into a game. Scott should have told him to go fuck himself.
