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Re: Amy Winehouse Discussion
I think Amy was full of talent and probably a ton of it wasn't even realized due to her stupid choices.
I really can't say too much about how people speak of the dead. I mean, can you imagine what I had to deal with when Michael passed?
No, I get that. I'm totally with you on that.
The only thing that bothered me when she died was that everyone in the world tripped over themselves to get to their fb page to post a "Rehab" joke, and they were ALL the same "...she should've said yes, yes, yes" Oh man! How funny and original you are!
It wasn't even the joke that bothered me, it was the fact that everyone thought they were so funny and original in posting it. I bothered me in the same way that it bothers me when people re-post someone's else trite garbage and have the nerve to end it with "I DARE YOU TO RE-POST THIS!". Whatever.
As far as Amy goes, I was saying that I didn't mind your comments. I know you well enough to know that your opinion is your opinion and very little effects it (that's meant as a compliment btw). I don't think you started disliking Amy Winehouse or making bad comments about her because she died. I think you never cared enough to pay attention to her while she was alive, meaning you didn't think she was talented enough to look.
So when she died and it was a hot topic here, you were posting your opinion on it just like all of us do in most cases. I think the opinion you posted would've been the same if instead of dying that day she'd had some awesome performance somewhere and we were all discussing that.
Hopefully all of that rambling made any sense.
Oh I still hear it about Michael. Listen, I dug the guy. Do I think he had an abnormal relationship with kids? Not really in some ways, 'cause I myself have found myself bonded with children more than adults at times, because good kids, innocent kids - aren't douche bag fuckin' sexualized adult assholes.
However... for all I know he was guilty as hell.
As for his actual factual personal life - he was a weird guy. He's the whitest black guy in the history of the world, pretty much sums it up. His continued heavy drug use, despite being the only parent to his three (seemingly very balanced and normal kids, despite the Mardi Gras masks at 3), was very reckless and something I can never forgive him for. Seeing Paris up there crying at her father's memorial, just made me tear up and say "you fuckin' asshole man". But it's out of love. Not hate.
As for Michael's music, for some reason you can't like Michael Jackson in a cowboy hat. I do, so everyone else can fuck off when I crank the shit out of Another Part of Me.
As for Amy, i've said all I have to say on the girl and her demise.
As for the reaction to Amy's death and others - I completely agree. People are fuckin' cornball, pathetic pieces of scum bag, hiding behind a computer pussy ass, "keyboard God's". Facebook imho has made the internet toilet 10 times worse.
It's like that kid who committed suicide on fuckin' Skype or whatever it was, and the fuckin' people were CHEERING HIM ON. He was only like 15. There were a couple kids that did try to tell him to go get a parent, and another called 911 and gave them their location. But the rest were pricks.
The same element exists with the "Rehab" really lame ass jokes. I've made jokes on here before that totally fuckin' stiff, I get it. But there's a line. Facebook and the Amy jokes are the worst kind. They're all a bunch of people, who probably never even cared and/or listened to her music, all trying to be fuckin' cool and get some attention because they're pathetic losers in real life, who probably don't say a word in life because they're passive. But they just let it fly on the internet.
Those kind of people will destroy us all. But instead of worrying about it, just be you and I be me and the next guy do the same, because in the end, regardless of what those dicks think and how unfunny they are, or what we think, Amy's musical career is just a fuckin' escapist farce that all of us and the media buy into.
The reality is Amy, the little 3-year old girl her mother and father held in their arms died the other day, and they're gonna miss that little girl, and they're never gonna forget her. The person that didn't commit suicide because they listened to GN'R and found out that even Axl has suffered from unrequited love. The person that felt unloved and listened to Heal The World and realized that Michael loves them from afar, and so they're now gonna donate their time to the Red Cross.
And at the end of the day, THAT is truely are these artist's legacies are. And that's the way it should be.
Re: Amy Winehouse Discussion
No, I get that. I'm totally with you on that.
The only thing that bothered me when she died was that everyone in the world tripped over themselves to get to their fb page to post a "Rehab" joke, and they were ALL the same "...she should've said yes, yes, yes" Oh man! How funny and original you are!
It wasn't even the joke that bothered me, it was the fact that everyone thought they were so funny and original in posting it. I bothered me in the same way that it bothers me when people re-post someone's else trite garbage and have the nerve to end it with "I DARE YOU TO RE-POST THIS!". Whatever.
As far as Amy goes, I was saying that I didn't mind your comments. I know you well enough to know that your opinion is your opinion and very little effects it (that's meant as a compliment btw). I don't think you started disliking Amy Winehouse or making bad comments about her because she died. I think you never cared enough to pay attention to her while she was alive, meaning you didn't think she was talented enough to look.
So when she died and it was a hot topic here, you were posting your opinion on it just like all of us do in most cases. I think the opinion you posted would've been the same if instead of dying that day she'd had some awesome performance somewhere and we were all discussing that.
Hopefully all of that rambling made any sense.
See any comments I've made about Ga Ga for proof. I didn't post those comments because she died. I didn't post any rehab jokes here or on facebook. It's sad that she died. It is. I always said that, but it's not surprising at all either. And to me, it's not much of a loss from a talent perspective. People are reacting like I said I was happy she was dead, which is ridiculous.
Re: Amy Winehouse Discussion
I know Buzz loves when this thread gets bumped, but I just came across this piece written by Duff. I don't think it's been posted, I apologize if it has.
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/reverb/2 … _not_e.php
Nobody Chooses Addiction, Not Even Amy Winehouse
By Duff McKagan Mon., Jul. 25 2011 at 12:14 PM
Like everyone else this side of the pond, I woke up Saturday morning to hear the sad and terrible news that singer Amy Winehouse was found dead in her London apartment. Like everyone else, too, I suddenly felt a great loss and not a little bit of anger.
In my head I yelled at her, "C'mon, girl! It seemed as if you were pulling OUT of that drug shit! It seemed as if you were on your way back! It seemed as if maybe, just maybe, you'd be putting that troubling time behind you..." But no. It wasn't to be after all. Alas, the Winehouses do not have their daughter Amy anymore.
In the late '80s into the '90s, there was a mess of drug-addled youth in their 20s in and around rock and roll music--buying into the "Live Fast, Die Young" mantra and all of that stupid and ignorant rot--that I found myself and my circle of friends a part of. I lost two of my very best friends to overdoses. And for a while it seemed that I'd most certainly go that same route.
But I had good people around me, a network of friends and family that some of my peers didn't have. It was those people, who when I saw a chance to get better, and get sober, it was they who called and stopped by, and showed me how to stay away from the bad stuff--taught me how to stay alive.
Amy lived her life for the last eight years in a fishbowl. We all peered in when she had her great and worldwide success. We all gawked at that same fishbowl as we watched her stumble again and again. Our view into the fishbowl changed as her life's trials changed. But her view OUT of the fishbowl never changed. I'm sure it was claustrophobic and terrifying in there. For those of you who may say "Yeah, but she had EVERYTHING! Why would she waste her time on drugs; she should have JUST GOTTEN SOBER!", let me just say a few things:
-- No one loves to be addicted.
-- No singer or musician I have ever known has dreamed of one day being successful AND strung out.
-- Do you think Amy's success changed HER more, or do you think it is possible that her success changed how other people treated her more?
People who become that high-profile in an overnight fashion rarely have the time or guidance to really know what the hell is going on once that massive "fame monster" smacks them upside the head. She was suddenly on TV and the radio all of the time, she suddenly had a #1 record all over this planet, and won five Grammys. All at once, we expect these people to adjust how we perceive we ourselves would adjust in the same limelight. When that doesn't happen in Amy's case, the tabloids are right there to show us all that "this girl is just plain fucked-up." Maybe she never got a chance to catch her breath.
The "specialists" and talking heads on cable news are criticizing Amy Winehouse's inner circle of "advisors." I know Amy's manager and accountant, and I also know that both of them are VERY stand-up people. It is a shame that people like this, people who have tried their best to help Ms. Winehouse in the past few years, get their names dragged through the mud. But in the end, it is just so sad to have lost this young woman to what will most likely be discovered to be, drugs. She was a talent. She was different. She railed against the norm. She was a musical trailblazer.
In the end, I cannot compare what I went through or experienced with what Amy Winehouse went through. I only know that addiction is a lonely and terrifying place to be. It's not glamorous, and addiction does not care if you are well-known and rich, or a loner-hermit with no dough.
In Amy's case, like mine, I think she had some friends and family who tried and cared about her, but in the end fell short.
I'm sure she must have been a good friend to some people.
I'm sure her parents must have watched with joy as her musical talents blossomed in her young teens at school.
I'm sure that they must really miss her right at this very moment.
They will not have their daughter . . . anymore.
