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Re: Two and a Half Men
Charlie's strange and destructive behavior led to him being fired. It's not like he was some innocent bystander doing everything that was asked of him. He got exactly what he deserved. He thought he was so valuable to the show that he could do anything and get away with it. I hope the show does well without him, but that remains to be seen. I honestly think it'll just as well. I mean, does Charlie make that much of a difference? I never watched the show really, so I can't comment. Was he that big of a draw? Are fans of the show going to flee because he's not there anymore? Good sitcoms are hard to come by these days. As long as the writing stays strong and Kutcher can fill in admirably, they'll be fine.
Re: Two and a Half Men
Honest to God dude... that show REQUIRES Charlie Sheen.
And the writing hasn't been strong in about 2-3 years. They were already in decline creatively WITH Sheen. However, like Sheen stated in interviews, for whatever reason - ratings continued to go UP, despite a declining quality.
Believe it or not, the show needs Sheen - he's the straight guy. The show's jokes don't work, without Sheen (the sane one, believe it or not) to bounce the jokes off of.
I don't see at all how that show will work without the Charlie Harper character.
If Kutcher goes in there, and plays it straight with occasional laughs, it might work. If he Kelso's the whole thing up, it'll be dead in 2 years, no doubt.
But I also want to say - Kutcher was only given a 1-year deal. If he goes in there, and stiff's, they'll replace him by mid-season. This entire upcoming season will be a process of re-tooling.
I'm not one of these Sheen fanboys, I frankly was never a really big fan. And I hope the show will work with Kutcher, because i'd love to see the show funny again... but I will also be watching Sheen's new syndicated series "Anger Management", and definitely comparing the two.
Re: Two and a Half Men
Again, I don't watch the show so I can't really say whether it should work or not. Just wouldn't shock me if it was just as successful without Sheen. My mom watches the show and while she loved it with Charlie, she's also not a fan of his off the set antics, so I doubt she'll miss him one bit. I'm sure a lot of fans will feel the same way. As long as the writing is good, it will do fine. Kutcher is a capable actor. I'm pretty sure the show will do REAL well at least at the start since everyone wants to see how it all plays out. It's just a matter of keeping that initial audience. Hell, I may even tune into the first episode.
Isn't the show coming to an end anyway in a year or two supposedly? I thought I had heard that. Could be a reason why Kutcher was only signed for a year. No need to sign him up long term when there are only a few years left. I think they'd probably end the show to save face rather than replace Kutcher. That'd be admitting they couldn't succeed without Charlie, and that's the last thing they want to portray.
Re: Two and a Half Men
I just DO NOT get your mother's opinion. And i've heard others have that opinion too. The character of Charlie Harper IS Charlie Sheen in real life. That's EXACTLY the character. He plays himself. Yet, it's SO funny on Two and a Half Men, yet when Sheen lives the same life as Harper in real life - she doesn't approve? If she doesn't like it, why does she entertain herself with a show that promotes that kind of lifestyle every single week? Charlie Harper has been about hookers, blow, methadone clinics, morphine drips, demerol parties, and every week Charlie drinks about two bottles worth of hard liquor. Hahahaha, so funny. Sheen does it, and he's an out of control asshole - I don't get the logic. Sorry.
As for the show...
The show's current syndication deal REQUIRES them do complete and deliver another TWO seasons of the show for syndication.
Despite Sheen's firing, Sheen actually still gets full syndication pay for Seasons 9 & 10, even though he won't even be on the show.
There was a rumor awhile back that the reason they only signed Kutcher for 1-year, was that they'd let the dust settle between Lorre & Sheen, let Sheen clean up his act, and have Sheen return for Season 10, and wrap the show up. However if they are heading the direction in killing off Sheen, then unless they pull a "Dallas", and have Jon Cryer 'dream the 9th Season', and bring back Charlie, I highly doubt Sheen will be back.
But they will have to do a Season 10. Have to. So if Kutcher don't work, they will most certaintly imo find someone else to finish it out. If getting a third star is confessing "loss to Charlie", then they might as well just bring Charlie back for Season 10. That was Sheen's plan to begin with.
In the end we'll see, but the show is gonna go at least 10 seasons, but with ratings (if they stay the same) currently INCREASING every season, 8 years in, unlike like most shows which are in decline at that point - if Kutcher works out and the show is at least moderately successful post-Sheen, CBS will sign up for several more seasons, and the syndication deal will be extended.
But I just think there's no way that's possible. I think the loss of the show's star, even if they replaced Sheen with Jesus himself, that the show will even stablelize without Sheen. It's almost a guarantee viewers will drop. The question now is, will the viewers plummet, and the show order reduced, and firmly buried by Season 10? Or will it slowly die, and drag on for another 4 seasons with Kutcher?
Re: Two and a Half Men
I just DO NOT get your mother's opinion. And i've heard others have that opinion too. The character of Charlie Harper IS Charlie Sheen in real life. That's EXACTLY the character. He plays himself. Yet, it's SO funny on Two and a Half Men, yet when Sheen lives the same life as Harper in real life - she doesn't approve? If she doesn't like it, why does she entertain herself with a show that promotes that kind of lifestyle every single week? Charlie Harper has been about hookers, blow, methadone clinics, morphine drips, demerol parties, and every week Charlie drinks about two bottles worth of hard liquor. Hahahaha, so funny. Sheen does it, and he's an out of control asshole - I don't get the logic. Sorry.
I'm guessing my mom, and others like her, don't know of Sheen's past problems. They just watch the show for entertainment purposes. When it stretches into real life, that's when they have a problem with it. Charlie may have had his share of problems before but he was always given a free pass and nobody really made that big a deal out of it. I know he was a fuck up, you knew, but many just weren't aware. If you didn't read the fine print, you just knew he was that funny guy who was on that funny show. But he made such a spectacle of himself this time around that the backlash was unavoidable. At least, that's my take on it.
And not to bag on my mom, but she's also one of those people who thought Howard Stern (the radio host) killed Anna Nicole Smith. As crazy as that sounds, I know she wasn't alone on that front. I kindly explained to her that it was Howard K. Stern who was involved and not the King of All Media.
God bless mothers!
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Re: Two and a Half Men
I just DO NOT get your mother's opinion. And i've heard others have that opinion too. The character of Charlie Harper IS Charlie Sheen in real life. That's EXACTLY the character. He plays himself. Yet, it's SO funny on Two and a Half Men, yet when Sheen lives the same life as Harper in real life - she doesn't approve?
Same reason I enjoy it when Jason chases around people with a machette in Friday the 13th but I'd shit myself if that happened in real life.
It's entertaining when no one really gets hurt.
Or when in a comedy movie people say rude things directly to someone's face....sometimes something is funny or fun on the screen just because in real life it would be tragic or fucked up but it's sort of amuzing in a harmless context.
To me the character on the show is a stereotype and archetypical character, much like Homer Simpson or something - he has traits that are in a lot of people - but it's magnified to a level that's socially unacceptable in real life but funny on the screen.
Ever seen this guy? Dr Roxo the Rock and Roll Clown? I find it hysterical that he's such a fuck up on TV - but when someone's life gets that out of hand in real life - such as Steven Adler's in the past - then it's not funny it's just upsetting.
Re: Two and a Half Men
'Two and a Half Men' Season 9 Premiere Details Leak
by Brian Wallace / Yahoo! TV
With Charlie Sheen's exit from "Two and a Half Men" still reigning as the year's biggest entertainment story, it should be no surprise that details are already leaking from last night's season premiere taping — the first episode featuring Ashton Kutcher.
Even though both audience members and even the cast members themselves had to sign nondisclosure agreements, according to Deadline, multiple outlets are reporting details ranging from plot points to guest stars, and CBS even released a photo of the cast's post-taping bow.
So if you just can't wait until "Two and a Half Men" returns to CBS on September 19, here's the lowdown on what's leaked so far:
Charlie Harper Is Dead
As was widely rumored prior to last night's taping, a funeral is indeed held for Sheen's character in the season premiere, TMZ reports. Considering "Men" creator Chuck Lorre's skirmishes with Sheen, is it any wonder that he'd make sure there's no way the troubled actor would ever set foot on the show again?
His Wife Probably Killed Him
According to dialogue during the funeral scene, Charlie's exit from this world was a gruesome one. It's reportedly revealed that he had married Rose, the woman he flew off to Paris with last season, and that while they were in Paris, he "slipped" onto the subway tracks as an oncoming train approached. According to TMZ, the way the scene plays out implies that Rose was behind the "accident."
The House Is Changing Hands
As was revealed last week, new series star Kutcher will play an Internet billionaire named Walden Schmidt, and Deadline reports that a chunk of Schmidt's money will be spent purchasing Charlie's house. But first a procession of potential buyers will look at the place, with insiders telling Deadline that guest-star lookie-loos could include cast members from other Lorre shows, such as "The Big Bang Theory."
John Stamos DID Get Cast!
Back in the show's "One and a Half Men" days, former "Full House" star and "Glee" super-guest John Stamos was rumored as a possible replacement for Sheen, and although Kutcher nabbed that role, Stamos will still get some screen time. TMZ reports that Stamos will speak at Charlie's funeral ... and reveal the raunchy incident he once shared with the deceased (and another person). Jenny McCarthy was also reportedly involved in the funeral scene.
Fans Will Probably Like It
Deadline got in touch with people who attended Friday's taping, and others who read the script, and heard praise that suggested the writing is as sharp as ever. One source credited Kutcher with breathing new life into show, while others called him "charming" and "solid."
Still, even though CBS and "Men" fans are probably pretty happy with these early reports, there's one man who's not — and that's Sheen himself. When asked about the show's funeral plans, the actor told TMZ: "I will be watching my fake funeral, attended by my fake ex-girlfriends, from my very, very real movie theater, with my very real hotties in tow."
Re: Two and a Half Men
I thought the exact same thing. That transition period with that 2-part opener, was incredibly WEAK. I mean "some of the worst TV they've ever done" type of weak.
Going into Week 3 of Kutchergate, they were gonna have to majorly step it up for me to continue tuning in. I was starting to think the show was dead without Sheen.
Last week's episode was ALOT better. However I will say this... Kutcher... is basically just playing Michael Kelso on the show. Nothing really a stretch.
