COREY TAYLOR: "I Guess It Just Wasn't Working Working For SLASH"

tejastech08

Axlin08 wrote:

I've seen the guy live, and he relies almost entirely on stuff he CO-wrote with others.

So does Axl.

Mikkamakka wrote:

I'm sick of the revisionist downplay of Slash's importance and genius in Guns N' Roses.

The worst I've seen are the chuckleheads at HTGTH/MYGNR that downplay his role in the band by constantly bringing up the fact that Tracii Guns was the original lead guitarist...as if anyone gives a shit about that little footnote.

monkeychow

buzzsaw wrote:

I disagree that Slash is replaceable.

I think you're right on that.

I'm a fan of the new band...but I'd define "replaceable" as meaning you can swap the member without any significant reaction from the majority of the fanbase.

Bottom line is Slash was replaced...and all fucking hell broke loose in the GNR community and real peace has never returned.

That doesn't mean a slashless GNR can't make good songs. But just that he was a KEY memeber. It would be like if after the black album metallica had dropped lars - but kept James, Kirk and Jason. They'd surely still make great metal but it's always going to be up for debate amongst the fans from then on.

I love Chinese Democracy and really enjoy the new band. So i'm proof that there's life in the new band for an open minded old school fan....however...to me the simple fact that 95% of GNR fan disagreements stem from the absence of Slash shows that he is not "replaceable" in the strict sence of the word.

misterID wrote:

But I don't think, perhaps, just a shot in the dark, I don't think Slash is comfortable with someone on equal footing with him.

Good point. I actually think it's true of Axl and Slash - for different reasons.

From the outside, I think Slash has firm views about things and his mind is not easy to change. When he wants to do something he seems to just go do it no matter what. I can imagine getting him to move outside what he wants to do is something that doesn't happen a lot. It's clear to me the major problem with VR is lack of agreement on anything between the guys - which also seemed to be the problem in GNR for slash - and now he's doing his solo thing - and he said himself because it's nice to be captain of the ship and call all the shots himself.

In Axl's case it's a bit different. I think Axl enjoys working with others - that's why there's so many damn people associated with Chinese Democracy. But I think with Axl it's a securtiy thing. He came from nothing, and he has a history of turbulance in relationships with others. He clearly thinks about the future. Remember his on stage rant years aback about how young people better sort out how they're going to get money and a life happening before their old. In my opinion the 3 guitarist thing is connected to this. I think he recgonised that after slash left he was vunerable. Having a god like lead player and a god like singer as so many bands do is dangerous for him - as whenever that lead player walks out on him (as people have tended to do) he's left with half his mojo in the band missing. The way to avoid this problem is to get 3 players and share the godliness out amongst them....so if any one of them bails...you still have 2/3 of the guitar firepower immediately on tap while you find a replacement.

I might be 100% off base with that...but to me that's why it could be done...I mean buckethead or bumblefoot could easily handle all lead guitar lines...yet we always have 3 players....seems to me like spreading out the love.

monkeychow

Axlin08 wrote:

Slash couldn't write his ass out of a fuckin' ticket...

Dude you know I love you in a strange internet man love way...but that's the craziest shit I've ever read on here.....

Slash in one of the greatest rock riff writers of all time - and don't even start me on his ability to add solos that transform a song. Hell...listen to estranged - isn't it your favourite GNR track from memory. WTF would happen to that song without that man's guitar?

You are going to say cos he doesn't write a lot of ENTIRELY solo songs that he can't write his way out of a toilet - when MOST of the songs he's contributed to over the years would have been 1000 times shitter without his creative contributions to the projects. I mean AFD for fuck sake...it's got to be every solo and at least 50% of the riffs come from him.

I know izzy was a powerful writing force. But are you going to tell me that guitar wise 5'Oclock somehwere doesn't have GNR riffs. The best VR songs in my opinion are the ones that are less Scott based and have obvious slash riffs....

Izzy is great - but any of the Slash albums with Axl would be basicly classic GNR worthy, and if CD had been made with equal control between axl and slash - like those song ideas - but with slash's creative input on guitars and Axl not having rights to digitally edit the songs - then do you doubt it would sound like classic GNR in the end?

I could rant forever. I love Izzy and I love the new band too. But saying slash can't write is madness dude! The guy is a guitar powerhouse in any band he joins.

misterID

I think I understand Axlin, in that Izzy is/was a songwriter, Slash wasn't. And that's not slagging Slash. But Izzy was a much bigger force in the writing of the songs. With the riffs and solos, and stuff, it's like saying the interior decorator is more important than the architect. If Slash brought in a riff, Izzy was a dude who could make a song out of it.

It wasn't a dig at Slash and it's not saying Slash wasn't important, because he was.

Axlin16

misterID said it alot better, quicker, and less-Izzy defensive than I did. That's how I remembered the whole thing. I remember IZZY sculpting the songs, then Axl bringing in lyrics n' melodies. Slash handled solos, but solos aren't everything. Slash was very important, but at least Bucket proved that Slash could be replaced both in profiency and technicality. People said for years that Bucket was a great technical guitarist, but he had no soul... songs on CD proved he brought soul AND solos, but people still brought negativity.

All I was saying was Slash is replaceable, and seeing how much Bucket-love exists on this board for that 2002 band instrumentally - I am correct. But I don't see all the Richard Fortus fans, and Paul Huge fans, and Gilby Clarke fans. But I do see a shitload of respect for Izzy. That says something. Axl brought in 1, maybe 2 lead guitarists that can keep up with Slash playing and writing. No one's replaced Izzy. It simply HAS NOT HAPPENED (for as 'easy' as Mikka makes it sound).

"Slash can't write"

Slash CAN write, but Slash can't write such brilliance, all by himself. I haven't heard it. I've heard Izzy do it, i've heard Axl do it (This I Love), but Slash had to have accessories, such as lyric & melody guys to bring it home.

"You're favorite song is Estranged... WTF is that song without Slash?"

Still an absolutely amazing song, and THE BEST GN'R song ever written, and all at the hands of A-X-L. Estranged was a brilliant piece and the best GN'R song ever, when it was simply a piano instrumental by Axl.

Slash DID add AMAZING parts to it that just made it better (even Axl thanked him for it, knowing he hated the song), but in reality Estranged would been just fine with Axl and/or Dizzy at the piano with Axl on vocals.

Rex

Axlin08 wrote:

, but in reality Estranged would been just fine with Axl and/or Dizzy at the piano with Axl on vocals.

Yeah, bullshit.

I agree that Slash hasn't written any brilliant songs since parting with Gn'R, but he took Estranged to a whole different level. That song would just not be the same without him.

Axlin16

Sounds the same to me...

metallex78

I concur, with this....

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I dig the piano on it's own, but Slash's guitar lines just takes it to a whole another level

Mikkamakka

misterID wrote:

I think I understand Axlin, in that Izzy is/was a songwriter, Slash wasn't. And that's not slagging Slash. But Izzy was a much bigger force in the writing of the songs. With the riffs and solos, and stuff, it's like saying the interior decorator is more important than the architect. If Slash brought in a riff, Izzy was a dude who could make a song out of it.
It wasn't a dig at Slash and it's not saying Slash wasn't important, because he was.

As I see it, if you get rough plans for a hovel, but you make it the next Sixtine Chapel, than you are the genius and not guy who thought a hovel would be good enough.

And I still can't get over the FACT that 90% of the signature guitar riffs and solos that made GN'R famous and that are always on the best of all times lists were written by Slash. Slash and not Izzy. I'm happy to have Think About You, but SCOM is the fucker, and not the stupid D,C,G,D chord progression, but the enormous riff the song starts with, the variations of that theme popping up again and again and those monstre solos. Izzy was important in writing (to simplicize the songs to the masses), but Slash was the most important musician of the band, since his style made it so unique. Without him, there would have been no Guns N' Roses, just Rapidfire II.

BTW I agree with Monkey that 80% of Slash's post-GN'R work is GN'R quality music wise and with an Axl caliber singer, only musicians would tell the difference between the classic band and the Slash/Axl only incarnation.

Intercourse

BTW I agree with Monkey that 80% of Slash's post-GN'R work is GN'R quality music wise and with an Axl caliber singer, only musicians would tell the difference between the classic band and the Slash/Axl only incarnation.

I agree. Some moments in those VR/GNRmash ups make the hairs on the back of my neck go up. That vocal/guitar combo when its mashed up right is just liquid esctasy.

Debating who was more 'important' in old GNR is like debating which part of a woman you like best.

I'm a tit man, my buddy is an ass man and my other buddy is a leg man but we all agree that the perfect woman has to have a nice mix of the three. I'm still all for the tits and give them my closest attention but I do agree the other bits are very important too!!!

In GNR Slash is my main focus but my God when Slash & Axl mesh their big noise over Izzy's scuzzy riffs, I'm in heaven.

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