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Re: The Tommy Stinson Thread
Hmm, maybe, but I doubt it. I think Axl personally asked Paul to be there as a favor, and although Paul took the reins pretty tightly, I think ultimately it was per Axl's request, which he stated numerous times he wasn't 'all right' emotionally during the late 90's to deal with GN'R shit. So I think 'in studio', Paul handled ALOT.
But based on an interview Izzy did, I want to say around 2006, Axl pretty much since they fired Gilby was trying to woo Izzy back into the fold, including trying to hire him back after Paul was let go in 2001, before hiring Richard Fortus.
So despite Paul's involvement, Paul was never supposed to be perminate, and even at Rio III seemed totally disinterested in being there.
BUT, if Paul was running around in Izzy's shadow since 1994, like Gilby, then it would explain why there was alot of tension.
If what Izzy said was true... how would you feel? You've been the rhythm guitarist in a band for 6-7 years, and everytime you have a disagreement with the boss, he runs out behind your back and tries to get back the guy you replaced.
From that onset, you would never ever ever feel wanted in the band. AND the fact the new hired Guns can't freaking stand you, and this is after you ran off the old band.
It had to be the roughest clusterfuck in the history of the band. Paul Tobias involvement with Guns N' Roses has always remained one of it's greatest mysteries. Not even Robert Stack could crack this one.
Re: The Tommy Stinson Thread
The tension comes from the fact that no veteran musician in the history of music likes having an amateur tell them how to lay down takes
there it is in a nutshell.
Paul Huge thought he was Axl's right hand man so started giving it some attitude. He forced out Slash and Matt with Duff finally quitting. From what Tommy is saying, the carry on continued when he arrived.
Maybe Axl saw the 'real' Paul while they were on tour and just told him to fuck off home..?
Wow, a lot of speculation. Wild speculation at that. Paul forced out Slash and Matt?
Axl saw the "real" Paul? No reason to think that at all. I think what was said before by Axl - Paul was brought in to help as a writer, and he wasn't really into doing a world tour - is probably the best info to go off of as to why Paul left.
Ali
Re: The Tommy Stinson Thread
^^
And the reason Slash, Duff & Matt ain't there.
What you guys put on there is just as much speculation.
Write WHAT? Where's the Axl interview talking about Paul's writing? Where's the Paul interview talking about what he wrote? Tommy? Etc.
At least Slash & Duff & Matt themselves have referenced the issues with Paul DIRECTLY.
The only thing Axl ever said was Paul IS Guns N' Roses, and that he's still involved.
What does involved mean? Coffee maker? BJ? Food? Writing? Guitars? Singing? WHAT?
Involved could mean alot of things. Axl couldn't even take the time to explain his VERY cryptic Rio III statement.
At least the old guys called him out directly, and explained their point of view, and THAT is what I know of Paul Tobias. I would love for Axl to counter it and explain Paul's role. LOVE IT.
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Re: The Tommy Stinson Thread
Paul forced out Slash and Matt?
If you could kindly step down from the swing for just ten seconds and read the interview segment below taken from an interview by Contactmusic.com with Matt Sorum himself :
"I said (to Huge), 'Listen motherf**ker, when I'm sitting in the room, I'd appreciate it if you don't f**king say s**t about Slash. He's my friend.'
"Then Axl got in my face.
I said,
'Axl, man, you're f**king smoking crack if you think this band's GN'R without Slash. You're gonna go play SWEET CHILD O' MINE with f**king Paul Huge? Sorry dude, it ain't gonna sound right.'
"Axl says, 'I'm Guns N' Roses - I don't need Slash. I'm Guns N' Roses.' I said, 'You know what? No, you aren't.'
"This bulls**t went on for about another 20 minutes. And then Axl finally said, 'Well, are you gonna f**king quit?' I said, 'I don't f**king quit.'
"So he said, 'Well, then you're f**king fired.' Paul Huge chased me out to the parking lot and said, 'Just come back in and apologise.'
"I said, 'F**k you, YOKO. I'm gone.' And that was it."
Any questions?.....I didn't think so...I rest my case.
As for the other point I raised about Axl telling Paul to fuck off home, you will note the question mark at the end of the statement making this a point raised as a tag question, i.e. in this case a statement raised to evoke some debate.
It would seem that members both old and new did not like this man. I hear nothing of him these days with GNR so to echo Axlin's point...
What does involved mean? Coffee maker? BJ? Food? Writing? Guitars? Singing? WHAT?
Re: The Tommy Stinson Thread
Paul forced out Slash and Matt?
If you could kindly step down from the swing for just ten seconds and read the interview segment below taken from an interview by Contactmusic.com with Matt Sorum himself :
"I said (to Huge), 'Listen motherf**ker, when I'm sitting in the room, I'd appreciate it if you don't f**king say s**t about Slash. He's my friend.'
"Then Axl got in my face.
I said,
'Axl, man, you're f**king smoking crack if you think this band's GN'R without Slash. You're gonna go play SWEET CHILD O' MINE with f**king Paul Huge? Sorry dude, it ain't gonna sound right.'"Axl says, 'I'm Guns N' Roses - I don't need Slash. I'm Guns N' Roses.' I said, 'You know what? No, you aren't.'
"This bulls**t went on for about another 20 minutes. And then Axl finally said, 'Well, are you gonna f**king quit?' I said, 'I don't f**king quit.'
"So he said, 'Well, then you're f**king fired.' Paul Huge chased me out to the parking lot and said, 'Just come back in and apologise.'
"I said, 'F**k you, YOKO. I'm gone.' And that was it."
Any questions?.....I didn't think so...I rest my case.
As for the other point I raised about Axl telling Paul to fuck off home, you will note the question mark at the end of the statement making this a point raised as a tag question, i.e. in this case a statement raised to evoke some debate.
It would seem that members both old and new did not like this man. I hear nothing of him these days with GNR so to echo Axlin's point...
What does involved mean? Coffee maker? BJ? Food? Writing? Guitars? Singing? WHAT?
You actually proved MY point. Axl fired Matt. It was an Axl-Matt dispute that caused Axl to fire Matt.
It was issues between Axl and Slash that ultimately caused Slash to leave.
Yes, they didn't like Paul Huge. Yes, I'm sure that escalated the tension.
But if anyone reads that interview and thinks Paul "forced" Matt out, they have a very unique concept of what it means to force someone out. It was Axl's call to fire Matt, plain and simple. This after what Matt admits was a 20 minute argument between he and Axl. And then Paul went out and wanted the man he "forced" out to come back in? Sorry, that makes no sense at all.
Ali
Re: The Tommy Stinson Thread
I wouldn't trust Matt as an objective source in the matter. Back in the day, he downplayed Snakepit Mk 1 after Axl recommended he (Matt) shouldn't tour with them. Slash mentioned in his biography that the first Snakepit incarnation was mainly his and Matt's baby, but Matt was ready to let it slide to accommodate Axl.
Axl later "rewarded" Matt for his loyalty by letting him & Duff have their way with Neurotic Outsiders. Matt then went on in the press saying how cool Axl was and how proud he was about being in GNR and how it still allowed him to have sideprojects.
Matt was fired, yes, but not before he had gone into lengths to maintain his job, even risking sour grapes with Slash to maintain the GNR drummer slot. After he was fired, he kept leaving messages to Axl for the remainder of the 90s, letting Red know he would cave in and sneak back behind the drumkit if needs be.
I can believe he had an argument with Paul, sure. Maybe even for sound reasons. But going head to head with Axl on the day he was fired? He hadn't done so before and had been desperate to cling on to the gig. A likelier possibility was that Matt & Paul were having a fit and Axl happened to walk in to the room unprompted.
Of course, Matt would like to portray himself as the hero of the story, and not just another yes man, which he had most certainly been up to that point anyway.
Re: The Tommy Stinson Thread
I agree completely Apex, I've never bought Matts version of how it went down when he quit/was fired. The language he used in public is completely designed to play with the fans emotions and stay onside and make his departure sound as heroic as possible. The whole "you've just broke up the greatest rock n roll band in the world" speil is completely manufactured in my opinion.
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Re: The Tommy Stinson Thread
Yeah, that Matt story is in the vein of Ashba's tales. There were very hard feelings between Paul vs Slash N' Duff N' Matt though. Matt wanted to keep his job so desperateley that he made some shitty comments about Snakepit I, yes - can you imagine what should have happened to confront Axl and quite/get fired? I think the Axl/Yoko ego trip came to a point, when even Matt Sorum had enough. And it says it all.
Re: The Tommy Stinson Thread
I think the Axl/Yoko ego trip came to a point, when even Matt Sorum had enough. And it says it all.
Your theory backfires a slight when considering Duff was in GNR around six months after Matt was fired.
And come to think of it, Matt's problem was likely the fact that the new guy was getting more props than he did. Matt was always the "first recruit", the original hired gun.
One thing I can see Matt having a problem with, would've been Paul not looking up to him as a senior member.
