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Re: Two and a Half Men
Characters like Berta & Rose are probably done with Lorre's attempt to completely reboot the show.
My guess is the show will abandon alot of it's older concepts that have become tired or overdone, Jake will grow up and become a bit more serious and have his own storylines.
Kutcher would be a good horn dog Gynecologist, a Doctor, whom Alan now shares an office space with for his re-located Chiropractic business.
Kutcher's character is similar to Charlie and stories center around the new shared business, and Alan's relationship with his co-owner in their business.
That's what i'd do.
It probably wouldn't hurt the show to tap the well for some good guest stars like it's done in the past.
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A friend of mine had the same idea as the TV Guide reporter about Ashton being Charlies long lost son.
I've never really watched the show, so I really don't care, but I think it'll do fine. I expect it'll do huge numbers at first, people just checking it out to see what they do. Then it'll level off and get back to its normal rate. I doubt the show will fail miserably because Charlie Sheen is gone. I'm not a big Ashton Kutcher fan, but he does have a pretty big following. He was successful in his other sitcom attempt. Seems like a decent match.
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metallex78 wrote:Dumbest show on tv. Hope it doesn't come back.
There is no way in hell that is true. I know far far FAR worse and dumb shows on TV.
It is a pretty bad show though.
I really cannot stand these shows, where the audience laughs at every line regardless if its funny or not (and in these shows more than not, it aint funny) Friends was one of the worst offenders.
There are a few exceptions like, Everybody Loves Raymond etc, but these are rare. The video below sums up how I feel when I watch these shows.
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Completely disagree. I'm not even sure Men is filmed in front of an actual studio audience, but if it's not, that is something that does irritate me is un-natural reactions, and editors having to tell the audience what to laugh at.
But if Men is guilty of that - so was Raymond (a great show). Men is not terrible on any level, and USED TO BE one of the greatest sitcoms on TV. Was it breaking new ground? No. It was a combo between the dynamic of Raymond and the sex humor of Married With Children. The cast has amazing chemistry with each other, but the writing has really plummeted in quality in the last couple of years. The show has become a parody of itself.
Friends was one of the worst shows in the history of God and Man. I never really got Frasier either. Cheers was funny tho. Overrated, but funny. In some ways you could probably say the same thing about Men. It's funny, but overrated. I like Men, and in the first few years loved it, but I do not think on any level it'll be remembered on the same level of Raymond, Seinfeld, Cosby Show, Happy Days, etc.
A friend of mine had the same idea as the TV Guide reporter about Ashton being Charlies long lost son.
I've never really watched the show, so I really don't care, but I think it'll do fine. I expect it'll do huge numbers at first, people just checking it out to see what they do. Then it'll level off and get back to its normal rate. I doubt the show will fail miserably because Charlie Sheen is gone. I'm not a big Ashton Kutcher fan, but he does have a pretty big following. He was successful in his other sitcom attempt. Seems like a decent match.
Kutcher's other sitcom was an ensemble show ("That 70's Show") where he was supporting cast to a whole show of zany characters, similar to Sheen on Men. If Kutcher's character is not front and center (they say Jon Cryer is now going to be the actual 'star' of the show/the Alan Harper character), and Kutcher is just one of many crazy characters - he'll probably thrive.
That 70's Show worked, because Topher Grace (Eric Forman) played the straight guy. The guy that was surrounded by insanity. Like Sheen in Men, or Ron Howard on Happy Days.
When Grace left the show, it fell flat on it's ass. The jokes were flat, the show was HORRIBLY unfunny, and it was because it was just a zoo. You had all these crazy characters, and they didn't have that straight guy to bounce their jokes off of.
I personally think that Men needs to shift focus to Cryer being the sane one again (like it was in the beginning of the show). In recent years Cryer was shifted to being an insane horn dog just like his brother, and the show in turn just became quick jokes and insanity. Like a live-action version of Family Guy.
Cryer needs to become the straight guy again, and be surrounded by the crazy characters, and the show WILL work again. The irony is, ultimately if it does work, I think in the end Cryer will be the one truely credited with actually replacing Sheen.
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Guess we'll have to disagree.
Raymond had the audience reactions but for the most part, the dialogue was something to find humour in. Men on the other hand has so much unfunny exchanges and yet the editors can't help but rape that audience reaction button, so damn annoying.
Raymond in my opinion was far superior in the writing department. To say Men used to be one of the greatest shows on tv, is just wrong.
To each his own I suppose, I just find these shows lacking in any emotional connection with the viewer or lack of a reason to care about the characters. The dialogue is extremely cheesy and poorly written, to me atleast.
Pretty much like the music we have today, it may be popular and the "in thing" at the moment, but that doesn't make it good.
That's my 2 cents. 
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Hmm, we'll that's certainly a stance. Keep in mind, Men launched as the ratings juggernaut it was, because it had Raymond as a lead-in on Monday nights, and for the most part Men HELD Raymond's audience. So most Raymond fans, were also Men fans.
Interesting take that you prefer one VASTLY over the other.
I will agree that Raymond was a far superior show. I saw some reruns the other day and was reminded what a great show that was.
The writing was very smart, the jokes were funny to the audience (not to the cast), which is what drove it. Men is about a filthy rich jingle writer (Sheen) and his neurotic brother (Cryer), and despite Sheen's persona on the show - he's the most sympathetic character on the show. It's just over-the-top craziness, but not really relatable to the audience.
Raymond on the other hand tapped into America's family dysfunction. For example, Marie & Frank on Raymond were virtual clones of my grandparents on my dad's side. And everyone else KNEW a character on that show that was alot like someone of their family.
So it was relatable and the audience tapped into that. Phil Rosenthal & Ray Romano simply told stories of real life that happened to their family, and played it up for comedic effect and the show was spectacular.
Raymond was the best comedy on TV since '97 or '98, and nothing since has really replaced it's prescence on TV.
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is it true Hugh Grant turned it down for 1/2 a mill a week? Either way, I dont agree with any tv, movie or sports star earning that a week...no wonder tv, cinema and sports games cost so much, time to knock it on the head..
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I'm glad honestly. Grant would've been a terrible choice. Never liked him.
As for the money, I thought it was more than a half a mil an episode. I thought they offered Grant slightly less than Sheen, which was somewhere less than $1.2 million per episode, but higher than $1 million an episode.
Grant supposedly turned it down after creative disagreements with Chuck Lorre over the direction the show should take, and I think Grant wanted more creative control over content, something they weren't willing to offer.
Re: Two and a Half Men
Ashton Kutcher's contract with 'Two and a Half Men'
only good for one season
by Kathleen Pericone / New York Daily News
Ashton Kutcher, who joined his new costars Jon Cryer and Angus T. Jones at the CBS upfront last week, has only has a one-season contract with 'Two and a Half Men.'. Ashton Kutcher has said that replacing Charlie Sheen on "Two and a Half Men" was like "winning the lottery." But if he doesn't bring the laughs, it could not pay off in the long run.
The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the actor's contract with the CBS sitcom is only good for one season, which begins in the fall.
But it's not just because they want to see how Kutcher performs. "Two and a Half Men" is only licensed through this upcoming ninth season.
If the show is picked up for a 10 season, Kutcher's contract could be renewed - or he could walk away.
His paycheck is reportedly an estimated $750,000 an episode, with it reaching close to $1 million when other incentives are included.
"I've never probably in my 13 years in show business received more phone calls and e-mails from people congratulating me on this job," Kutcher told Us Weekly. "I've got the best job in show business, and I am ecstatic about that."
And his new bosses are equally excited about their new star.
"We are so lucky to have someone as talented, joyful and just plain remarkable as Ashton joining our family," says "Two and a Half Men" creator Chuck Lorre, who famously sparred with Sheen before he was fired from the show. "If I was any happier, it'd be illegal."
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http://www.undercover.fm/news/15561-chu … rlie-sheen
Chuck Lorre Kills Off Charlie Sheen
By Paul Cashmere
Yesterday at 8:57pm
Chuck Lorre will have the ultimate payback for Charlie Sheen leaving ‘Two and a Half Men’. He will kill off the Charlie Sheen character when Two and a Half Men returns.
Lorre was going to write out the Sheen character by having him leave for Paris with next-door neighbor Rose but that leaves open the possibility of a return.
Instead he wants the Sheen character Charlie Harper DEAD.
The first episode of the new season will have Charlie Harper knocked off and the new Aston Kutcher character buts his Malibu Beach house.
It will be a “sad” episode. All of Charlie Harper’s old girlfriends will attend his funeral. Brother Alan and nephew Jake will somehow stay in the house after new owner Kutcher buys it.
All will be revealed in September.
