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Re: Great Axl & Kurt article
johndivney wrote:kurt defo has cooler influences tho - i mean he's uber hip growing up with Black Flag/Bad Brains/SY/Pixies whereas Axl is kinda lumbered with 70's pretentious classic rock & 80's hair metal like Elton John/ELO/RATT..
"Hip" does not mean better. Zeppelin kicks the shit out of the Pixies and any of the other "hip" groups you care to name, including Nirvana.
i don't give a shit who kicks what & i never inferred hip meant better.
simply, it's easier for nirvana/kurt to be accepted 'cause they had influences that were considered 'cool' especially amongst music journalists at the turn of the 80s/early 90's when having a background in hardcore or indie music meant a lot more cred than overproduced dinosaur dadrock that axl was using as his influences.
a lot of the time axl is less zeppelin more liberace. he isn't cool and aloof, mysical & heavy like zep, he's a primadonna entrall to an age of rock star that doesn't exist anymore.
Re: Great Axl & Kurt article
johndivney wrote:kurt defo has cooler influences tho - i mean he's uber hip growing up with Black Flag/Bad Brains/SY/Pixies whereas Axl is kinda lumbered with 70's pretentious classic rock & 80's hair metal like Elton John/ELO/RATT..
"Hip" does not mean better. Zeppelin kicks the shit out of the Pixies and any of the other "hip" groups you care to name, including Nirvana.
zeppelin, Elton John and ELO are all 70's bands...and i dunno how much axl was influenced by Ratt...that is not an Axl influence that i've ever heard of 
Kurt was just portrayed at being more influenced by the underground scene than maybe he even was...but it did bring Nirvana some street cred early on...all the freaks and the artsy types were the first ones on the Nirvana band wagon ... i think that was when not selling out first came into fashion
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Re: Great Axl & Kurt article
tejastech08 wrote:johndivney wrote:kurt defo has cooler influences tho - i mean he's uber hip growing up with Black Flag/Bad Brains/SY/Pixies whereas Axl is kinda lumbered with 70's pretentious classic rock & 80's hair metal like Elton John/ELO/RATT..
"Hip" does not mean better. Zeppelin kicks the shit out of the Pixies and any of the other "hip" groups you care to name, including Nirvana.
i don't give a shit who kicks what & i never inferred hip meant better.
simply, it's easier for nirvana/kurt to be accepted 'cause they had influences that were considered 'cool' especially amongst music journalists at the turn of the 80s/early 90's when having a background in hardcore or indie music meant a lot more cred than overproduced dinosaur dadrock that axl was using as his influences.
a lot of the time axl is less zeppelin more liberace. he isn't cool and aloof, mysical & heavy like zep, he's a primadonna entrall to an age of rock star that doesn't exist anymore.
The thing is Axl always liked idie bands or bands that were not widely known. Axl was way ahead of the curve on bands like NIN, Radiohead and Soundgarden.
Re: Great Axl & Kurt article
johndivney wrote:tejastech08 wrote:"Hip" does not mean better. Zeppelin kicks the shit out of the Pixies and any of the other "hip" groups you care to name, including Nirvana.
i don't give a shit who kicks what & i never inferred hip meant better.
simply, it's easier for nirvana/kurt to be accepted 'cause they had influences that were considered 'cool' especially amongst music journalists at the turn of the 80s/early 90's when having a background in hardcore or indie music meant a lot more cred than overproduced dinosaur dadrock that axl was using as his influences.
a lot of the time axl is less zeppelin more liberace. he isn't cool and aloof, mysical & heavy like zep, he's a primadonna entrall to an age of rock star that doesn't exist anymore.The thing is Axl always liked idie bands or bands that were not widely known. Axl was way ahead of the curve on bands like NIN, Radiohead and Soundgarden.
maybe as far as you're concerned, he wasn't ahead of me on the curve.. i was already down the back straight by the time axl popped up at the RH gig..
he's always had a varied palette but it's his more archaic touchstones that get mentioned in relation to him, due to the anti-axl slant of the media. of course they're not gonna give him credit for being onboard 'hip' bands, because Hipsters don't like axl & Hipsters (& jews) run the music media..
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Re: Great Axl & Kurt article
Axl was way ahead of the curve on bands like NIN, Radiohead and Soundgarden.
And Nirvana for that matter.
- monkeychow
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Re: Great Axl & Kurt article
I enjoyed Nirvana a lot at the time, their use of texture in songs, like with the quiet and loud was pretty cool, and they had a distinctive almost clumsy approach that was sort of fresh at that moment when a lot of music was over polished in studios. Gave it a sort of natural organic feel like when you jam with some mates.
I always felt they had more in common with GNR than against really and the whole idea of the fued between them was unnecessary and pointless. Like arguing over if a girl's boobs are better than her butt. Just shut up and enjoy both 
It sort of makes me sad when people become ashamed of their success. Like the entire industry was trying to do to Axl and like how that article phrases things. It's not selling out - it's just being good at what you do.
That whole "indie" type scene of hating the labels and not wanting to be popular is such a load of crap to me. Sure if people manafacture somethinfg from the start like some pop acts it's fake, but if bands like GNR - who if nothing else - were always true to their creative visons no mater the cost - find success - that just means what they did was good.
Re: Great Axl & Kurt article
i think if he hadda survived, nirvana's popularity would have ebbed & flowed & eventually got to the stage where cobain found some kind of comfort and compromise (even if it meant hiding out n laying low for a number of years like axl).
eventually he'd have created a(nother) blues-based masterpiece. imo his future lay in stuff like Dumb & more specifically All Apologies. i think the biggest waste of talent/potential in rock isn't actually jimi but kurt. his outrageous songwriting talent was only getting better as he got older & there is a vast collection of great songs we'll never get cause he blew his brains out.In Utero would probably be in my top 5 of all time. certainly top 10-15.
amazing vocalist, the guy used feedback better than ANY other guitarist & the pictures he painted with his lyrics are as detailed and majestic as only the greatest (folk) singer songwriters - dylan/young.the media & kurts manipulation/use of the media certainly did axl no favours - but at the time axl wasn't doing his own cred good either: blowing obscene budgets on promos/after-gig parties, causing riots.. it woulda been a lot harder for kurt to come out n say, "y'know give axl a break he's p fucked up" of course he's gonna say "axl's an idiot" 'cause most people (& still do) thought that..
there defo are similarities between the two that get forgotten about in the race to contrast them.. they are two fucked-up trailer trash kids who turned out some of the most amazing rock songs ever.
kurt defo has cooler influences tho - i mean he's uber hip growing up with Black Flag/Bad Brains/SY/Pixies whereas Axl is kinda lumbered with 70's pretentious classic rock & 80's hair metal like Elton John/ELO/RATT..
speaking of hip, you forgot the Replacements as an influence.....Nevermind is a rip from the Replacements. One of my favorite songs.
Re: Great Axl & Kurt article
johndivney wrote:kurt defo has cooler influences tho - i mean he's uber hip growing up with Black Flag/Bad Brains/SY/Pixies whereas Axl is kinda lumbered with 70's pretentious classic rock & 80's hair metal like Elton John/ELO/RATT..
"Hip" does not mean better. Zeppelin kicks the shit out of the Pixies and any of the other "hip" groups you care to name, including Nirvana.
the Pixies still ROCK though....not Zep but good in their own way.
- monkeychow
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Re: Great Axl & Kurt article
I was a nirvana fan for a while but their stuff just doesn't hold up as ive gotten older. some songs do but there are really some terrible stuff that was held to high regard at the time.
YEah i agree with that. I loved them back in the day but these days I don't really listen to them. Its good simple music to jam to or something though with a band...but yeah...for me it hasn't held up to the test of time the way stuff like GNR does to me.
