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Re: Japan: death toll could exceed 18,000, Nuclear problems continue
Yes, it's like a real-time disaster movie.
Quakes aren't that dangerous to people apart from the tsunami. It's our infrastructure that makes them dangerous, again apart from the tsunami.
Japan is a complex and high tech country. If this would have been a developing country, it would be even worse. Japan has prepared for this day for almost a hundred years now, and it was way over due as it was. Yet, there's just this amount of you can do, and the rest is about luck.
It's nothing to do with 2012, Mayans, God, Jesus, aliens or anything. Just plates underneath us cracking together.
Did anyone see this picture of status updates?
It's the biggest collection of retards ever found
It seriously makes me sick to the bone.
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Re: Japan: death toll could exceed 18,000, Nuclear problems continue
Did anyone see this picture of status updates?
It's the biggest collection of retards ever foundIt seriously makes me sick to the bone.
Words fail me at that link.
At the risk of stating the obvious....
Pearl Harbour was nearly 70 years ago, and while all of WW2 was pretty tragic, it has fuck all to do with most of the current residents of Japan, to infer that it's karma for that is insane.
Then the idiots saying to google "pearl harbour death toll" might want to check their math....
the death toll from pearl harbour was 2350 - 2500 depending what you read.
Now google of the atomic bmombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and you'll find "Within the first two to four months of the bombings, the acute effects killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki"
So even if one is crazy enough to believe in some kind of universal payback kicking in 70 years down the track...if this incident is payback for pearl harbour, then I don't want to know what the payback for the bombing of japan is going to look like.
Seriously those people are insane.
It sickens me that people can look at this kind of human event and be so callous.
Re: Japan: death toll could exceed 18,000, Nuclear problems continue
DCK wrote:Did anyone see this picture of status updates?
It's the biggest collection of retards ever foundIt seriously makes me sick to the bone.
Words fail me at that link.
At the risk of stating the obvious....
Pearl Harbour was nearly 70 years ago, and while all of WW2 was pretty tragic, it has fuck all to do with most of the current residents of Japan, to infer that it's karma for that is insane.
Then the idiots saying to google "pearl harbour death toll" might want to check their math....
the death toll from pearl harbour was 2350 - 2500 depending what you read.
Now google of the atomic bmombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and you'll find "Within the first two to four months of the bombings, the acute effects killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki"
So even if one is crazy enough to believe in some kind of universal payback kicking in 70 years down the track...if this incident is payback for pearl harbour, then I don't want to know what the payback for the bombing of japan is going to look like.
Seriously those people are insane.
It sickens me that people can look at this kind of human event and be so callous.
It's discraceful. Ignorant fuckers.
Re: Japan: death toll could exceed 18,000, Nuclear problems continue
DCK wrote:Did anyone see this picture of status updates?
It's the biggest collection of retards ever foundIt seriously makes me sick to the bone.
Words fail me at that link.
At the risk of stating the obvious....
Pearl Harbour was nearly 70 years ago, and while all of WW2 was pretty tragic, it has fuck all to do with most of the current residents of Japan, to infer that it's karma for that is insane.
Then the idiots saying to google "pearl harbour death toll" might want to check their math....
the death toll from pearl harbour was 2350 - 2500 depending what you read.
Now google of the atomic bmombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and you'll find "Within the first two to four months of the bombings, the acute effects killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki"
So even if one is crazy enough to believe in some kind of universal payback kicking in 70 years down the track...if this incident is payback for pearl harbour, then I don't want to know what the payback for the bombing of japan is going to look like.
Seriously those people are insane.
It sickens me that people can look at this kind of human event and be so callous.
It truly is insane right? I'm still pissed off and I saw that thing hours and hours ago.
But using their logic, as you point out, the karma response to the atomic bombs should be quite a sight.
Ignorant little fuckers.
Re: Japan: death toll could exceed 18,000, Nuclear problems continue
Yes, it's like a real-time disaster movie.
Quakes aren't that dangerous to people apart from the tsunami. It's our infrastructure that makes them dangerous, again apart from the tsunami.
Japan is a complex and high tech country. If this would have been a developing country, it would be even worse. Japan has prepared for this day for almost a hundred years now, and it was way over due as it was. Yet, there's just this amount of you can do, and the rest is about luck.
It's nothing to do with 2012, Mayans, God, Jesus, aliens or anything. Just plates underneath us cracking together.
Did anyone see this picture of status updates?
It's the biggest collection of retards ever foundIt seriously makes me sick to the bone.
It does make you wonder though. Everytime a country tries to develop more high tech, an act of God does try to set it back.
Could just be coincidence, but food for thought.
And oh, those fuckin' 'tards on FB, probably couldn't even tell you the fuckin' year Pearl Harbor happened if they didn't have fuckin Wikipedia to tell their damn asses.
"Never forget Pearl Harbor"
While were at it, "never forget Japanese Internment Camps"
Guess Americans deserved 9/11.
It's all so fuckin' stupid. Everyone over at FB thinks their the second coming of Chris Rock, and there just some dumb ass with a FB account. Nothing more. Most of them concerned about 'their money' getting sent to Japan are probably college students who don't and never have ever even paid into the system. Here's a quarter... here's change for your taxes. Now fuck off.
God be with the people of Japan right now. This is horrible.
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Re: Japan: death toll could exceed 18,000, Nuclear problems continue
DCK wrote:Yes, it's like a real-time disaster movie.
Quakes aren't that dangerous to people apart from the tsunami. It's our infrastructure that makes them dangerous, again apart from the tsunami.
Japan is a complex and high tech country. If this would have been a developing country, it would be even worse. Japan has prepared for this day for almost a hundred years now, and it was way over due as it was. Yet, there's just this amount of you can do, and the rest is about luck.
It's nothing to do with 2012, Mayans, God, Jesus, aliens or anything. Just plates underneath us cracking together.
Did anyone see this picture of status updates?
It's the biggest collection of retards ever foundIt seriously makes me sick to the bone.
It does make you wonder though. Everytime a country tries to develop more high tech, an act of God does try to set it back.
Could just be coincidence, but food for thought.
And oh, those fuckin' 'tards on FB, probably couldn't even tell you the fuckin' year Pearl Harbor happened if they didn't have fuckin Wikipedia to tell their damn asses.
"Never forget Pearl Harbor"
While were at it, "never forget Japanese Internment Camps"
Guess Americans deserved 9/11.
It's all so fuckin' stupid. Everyone over at FB thinks their the second coming of Chris Rock, and there just some dumb ass with a FB account. Nothing more. Most of them concerned about 'their money' getting sent to Japan are probably college students who don't and never have ever even paid into the system. Here's a quarter... here's change for your taxes. Now fuck off.
God be with the people of Japan right now. This is horrible.
Everytime there's more high tech, God stops it? Was he on a break during the moon landings??
Re: Japan: death toll could exceed 18,000, Nuclear problems continue
Japan races to prevent nuke reactor meltdowns
In this photo taken on Oct. 3, 2008, the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant in Okumamachi, Fukushima Prefecture, is seen. A strong earthquake on March 11, 2011 knocked out power at the plant, and because a backup generator failed, the cooling system was unable to supply water to cool the 460-megawatt No. 1 reactor, extreme right of four reactors sitting in a line in background. (AP Photo/Kyodo News) MANDATORY CREDIT, NO LICENSING ALLOWED IN CHINA, HONG KONG, JAPAN, SOUTH KOREA AND FRANCE
KORIYAMA, Japan - Japan's nuclear crisis intensified Sunday as authorities raced to combat the threat of multiple reactor meltdowns and more than 180,000 people evacuated the quake- and tsunami-savaged northeastern coast where fears spread over possible radioactive contamination.
Nuclear plant operators were frantically trying to keep temperatures down in a series of nuclear reactors — including one where officials feared a partial meltdown could be happening Sunday — to prevent the disaster from growing worse.
But hours after officials announced the latest dangers to face the troubled Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear complex, including the possibility of a second explosion in two days, there were few details about what was being done to bring the situation under control.
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Sunday that a hydrogen explosion could occur at the complex's Unit 3, the latest reactor to face a possible meltdown. That would follow a hydrogen blast Saturday in the plant's Unit 1, where operators attempted to prevent a meltdown by injecting sea water into it.
"At the risk of raising further public concern, we cannot rule out the possibility of an explosion," Edano said. "If there is an explosion, however, there would be no significant impact on human health."
More than 180,000 people have evacuated as a precaution, though Edano said the radioactivity released into the environment so far was so small it didn't pose any health threats.
Such statements, though, did little to ease public worries.
"First I was worried about the quake," said Kenji Koshiba, a construction worker who lives near the plant. "Now I'm worried about radiation." He spoke at an emergency centre in Koriyama, about 40 miles (60 kilometres) from the troubled reactors and 125 miles (190 kilometres) north of Tokyo.
At the makeshift centre set up in a gym, a steady flow of people — mostly the elderly, schoolchildren and families with babies — were met by officials wearing helmets, surgical masks and goggles.
About 1,500 people had been scanned for radiation exposure, officials said.
Up to 160 people, including 60 elderly patients and medical staff who had been waiting for evacuation in the nearby town of Futabe, and 100 others evacuating by bus, might have been exposed to radiation, said Ryo Miyake, a spokesman from Japan's nuclear agency. The severity of their exposure, or if it had reached dangerous levels, was not clear.
Edano said none of the Fukushima Dai-ichi reactors was near the point of complete meltdown, and he was confident of escaping the worst scenarios.
Officials, though, have declared states of emergency at six reactors — three at Dai-ichi and three at another nearby complex — after operators lost the ability to cool the reactors using usual procedures. Local evacuations have been ordered at each location. The U.N. nuclear agency said a state of emergency was also declared Sunday at another complex after higher-than-permitted levels of radiation were measured there. It said Japan informed it that all three reactors there were under control.
A pump for the cooling system at yet another nuclear complex, the Tokai Dai-Ni plant, also failed after Friday's quake but a second pump operated normally as did the reactor, said the utility, the Japan Atomic Power Co. It did not explain why it reported the incident Sunday.
All of the reactors at the complexes shut down automatically when the earthquake shook the region.
But with backup power supplies also failing, shutting down the reactors is just the beginning of the problem, scientists said.
"You need to get rid of the heat," said Friedrich Steinhaeusler, a professor of physics and biophysics at Salzburg University and an adviser to the Austrian government on nuclear issues. "You are basically putting the lid down on a pot that is boiling."
"They have a window of opportunity where they can do a lot," he said, such as using sea water as an emergency coolant. But if the heat is not brought down, the cascading problems can eventually be impossible to control. "This isn't something that will happen in a few hours. It's days."
Edano, for his part, denied there had been a meltdown in the Fukushima Dai-ichi complex, but other officials said the situation was not so clear.
Hidehiko Nishiyama, a senior official of the Economy, Trade and Industry Ministry, indicated the reactor core in Unit 3 had melted partially, telling a news conference, "I don't think the fuel rods themselves have been spared damage," according to the Kyodo News agency.
A complete meltdown — the collapse of a power plant's ability to keep temperatures under control — could release uranium and dangerous contaminants into the environment and pose major, widespread health risks.
Experts noted, however, that even a complete meltdown would probably be far less severe than the 1986 disaster at Chornobyl, where a reactor exploded and sent a cloud of radiation over much of Europe. That reactor, unlike the ones in Fukushima, was not housed in a sealed container.
The nuclear crisis was triggered by twin disasters on Friday, when an 8.9-magnitude earthquake, the most powerful in the country's recorded history, was followed by a tsunami that savaged its northeastern coast with breathtaking speed and power.
More than 1,400 people were killed and hundreds more were missing, according to officials, but police in one of the worst-hit areas estimated the toll there alone was more than 10,000.
The scale of the multiple disasters appeared to be outpacing the efforts of Japanese authorities to bring the situation under control.
Rescue teams were struggling to search hundreds of miles (kilometres) of devastated coastline, and hundreds of thousands of hungry survivors huddled in darkened emergency centres cut off from rescuers and aid. At least 1.4 million households had gone without water since the quake, and food and gasoline were quickly running out across the region. Large areas of the countryside were surrounded by water and unreachable. Nearly 2 million households were without electricity.
Starting Monday, power will be rationed with rolling blackouts in several cities, including Tokyo.
The government doubled the number of troops pressed into rescue operations to about 100,000 from 51,000, as powerful aftershocks continued to rock the country. Hundreds have hit since the initial temblor.
On Saturday, an explosion destroyed the walls and ceiling of Fukushima Dai-ichi's Unit 1 as operators desperately tried to prevent it from overheating and melting down by releasing steam.
Officials were aware that the steam contained hydrogen and were risking an explosion by venting it, acknowledged Shinji Kinjo, spokesman for the government's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, but chose to do so because they needed to reduce the pressure.
Officials insisted there was no significant radioactive leak after the explosion.
Without power, and with its valves and pumps damaged by the tsunami, authorities resorted to drawing sea water mixed with boron in an attempt to cool the unit's overheated uranium fuel rods. Boron disrupts nuclear chain reactions.
Operators also began using sea water to cool the complex's Unit 3 reactor after earlier attempts to lower its temperature failed, the U.N. Nuclear Agency said.
The move likely renders the 40-year-old reactors unusable, said a foreign ministry official briefing reporters.
He said radiation levels outside the plant briefly rose above legal limits, but had since declined significantly.
Japan has a total of 55 reactors spread across 17 complexes nationwide.
Re: Japan: death toll could exceed 18,000, Nuclear problems continue
pretty scary shit....i read somewhere that the moon is going to be closeste to earth on march 20th of this year and that that could be whats causing the floods and earthquakes and shit...though they did admit in the article that they had no scientific evidence to prove it but makes soem kinda sense...apparently the moon gets this close every 18 years..what serious natural disasters happened in 1993?
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10K dead in Japan amid fears of nuclear meltdowns
REUTERS/Kyodo
By JAY ALABASTER and TODD PITMAN, Associated Press Jay Alabaster And Todd Pitman, Associated Press – 12 mins ago
SENDAI, Japan – The estimated death toll from Japan's disasters climbed past 10,000 Sunday as authorities raced to combat the threat of multiple nuclear reactor meltdowns and hundreds of thousands of people struggled to find food and water. The prime minister said it was the nation's worst crisis since World War II.
Nuclear plant operators worked frantically to try to keep temperatures down in several reactors crippled by the earthquake and tsunami, wrecking at least two by dumping sea water into them in last-ditch efforts to avoid meltdowns. Officials warned of a second explosion but said it would not pose a health threat.
Near-freezing temperatures compounded the misery of survivors along hundreds of miles (kilometers) of the northeastern coast battered by the tsunami that smashed inland with breathtaking fury. Rescuers pulled bodies from mud-covered jumbles of wrecked houses, shattered tree trunks, twisted cars and tangled power lines while survivors examined the ruined remains.
One rare bit of good news was the rescue of a 60-year-old man swept away by the tsunami who clung to the roof of his house for two days until a military vessel spotted him waving a red cloth about 10 miles (15 kilometers) offshore.
The death toll surged because of a report from Miyagi, one of the three hardest hit states. The police chief told disaster relief officials more than 10,000 people were killed, police spokesman Go Sugawara told The Associated Press. That was an estimate — only 400 people have been confirmed dead in Miyagi, which has a population of 2.3 million.
According to officials, more than 1,800 people were confirmed dead — including 200 people whose bodies were found Sunday along the coast — and more than 1,400 were missing in Friday's disasters. Another 1,900 were injured.
For Japan, one of the world's leading economies with ultramodern infrastructure, the disasters plunged ordinary life into nearly unimaginable deprivation.
Hundreds of thousands of hungry survivors huddled in darkened emergency centers that were cut off from rescuers, aid and electricity. At least 1.4 million households had gone without water since the quake struck and some 1.9 million households were without electricity.
While the government doubled the number of soldiers deployed in the aid effort to 100,000 and sent 120,000 blankets, 120,000 bottles of water and 29,000 gallons (110,000 liters) of gasoline plus food to the affected areas, Prime Minister Naoto Kan said electricity would take days to restore. In the meantime, he said, electricity would be rationed with rolling blackouts to several cities, including Tokyo.
"This is Japan's most severe crisis since the war ended 65 years ago," Kan told reporters, adding that Japan's future would be decided by its response.
Click image to see photos of quake, tsunami damage
AFP/Yomiuri Shimbun
In Rikuzentakata, a port city of over 20,000 virtually wiped out by the tsunami, Etsuko Koyama escaped the water rushing through the third floor of her home but lost her grip on her daughter's hand and has not found her.
"I haven't given up hope yet," Koyama told public broadcaster NHK, wiping tears from her eyes. "I saved myself, but I couldn't save my daughter."
A young man described what ran through his mind before he escaped in a separate rescue. "I thought to myself, ah, this is how I will die," Tatsuro Ishikawa, his face bruised and cut, told NHK as he sat in striped hospital pajamas.
Japanese officials raised their estimate Sunday of the quake's magnitude to 9.0, a notch above the U.S. Geological Survey's reading of 8.9. Either way, it was the strongest quake ever recorded in Japan, which lies on a seismically active arc. A volcano on the southern island of Kyushu — hundreds of miles (kilometers) from the quake' epicenter — also resumed spewing ash and rock Sunday after a couple of quiet weeks, Japan's weather agency said.
Dozens of countries have offered assistance. Two U.S. aircraft carrier groups were off Japan's coast and ready to help. Helicopters were flying from one of the carriers, the USS Ronald Reagan, delivering food and water in Miyagi.
Two other U.S. rescue teams of 72 personnel each and rescue dogs arrived Sunday, as did a five-dog team from Singapore.
Still, large areas of the countryside remained surrounded by water and unreachable. Fuel stations were closed, though at some, cars waited in lines hundreds of vehicles long.
The United States and a several countries in Europe urged their citizens to avoid travel to Japan. France took the added step of suggesting people leave Tokyo in case radiation reached the city.
Community after community traced the vast extent of the devastation.
In the town of Minamisanrikucho, 10,000 people — nearly two-thirds of the population — have not been heard from since the tsunami wiped it out, a government spokesman said. NHK showed only a couple concrete structures still standing, and the bottom three floors of those buildings gutted. One of the few standing was a hospital, and a worker told NHK that hospital staff rescued about a third of the patients.
In the hard-hit port city of Sendai, firefighters with wooden picks dug through a devastated neighborhood. One of them yelled: "A corpse." Inside a house, he had found the body of a gray-haired woman under a blanket.
A few minutes later, the firefighters spotted another — that of a man in black fleece jacket and pants, crumpled in a partial fetal position at the bottom of a wooden stairwell. From outside, while the top of the house seemed almost untouched, the first floor where the body was had been inundated. A minivan lay embedded in one outer wall, which had been ripped away, pulverized beside a mangled bicycle.
The man's neighbor, 24-year-old Ayumi Osuga, dug through the remains of her own house, her white mittens covered by dark mud.
Osuga said she had been practicing origami, the Japanese art of folding paper into figures, with her three children when the quake stuck. She recalled her husband's shouted warning from outside: "'GET OUT OF THERE NOW!'"
She gathered her children — aged 2 to 6 — and fled in her car to higher ground with her husband. They spent the night in a hilltop home belonging to her husband's family about 12 miles (20 kilometers) away.
"My family, my children. We are lucky to be alive," she said.
"I have come to realize what is important in life," Osuga said, nervously flicking ashes from a cigarette onto the rubble at her feet as a giant column of black smoke billowed in the distance.
As night fell and temperatures dropped to freezing in Sendai, people who had slept in underpasses or offices the past two nights gathered for warmth in community centers, schools and City Hall.
At a large refinery on the outskirts of the city, 100-foot (30-meter) -high bright orange flames rose in the air, spitting out dark plumes of smoke. The facility has been burning since Friday. The fire's roar could be heard from afar. Smoke burned the eyes and throat, and a gaseous stench hung in the air.
In the small town of Tagajo, also near Sendai, dazed residents roamed streets cluttered with smashed cars, broken homes and twisted metal.
Residents said the water surged in and quickly rose higher than the first floor of buildings. At Sengen General Hospital, the staff worked feverishly to haul bedridden patients up the stairs one at a time. With the halls now dark, those who can leave have gone to the local community center.
"There is still no water or power, and we've got some very sick people in here," said hospital official Ikuro Matsumoto.
Police cars drove slowly through the town and warned residents through loudspeakers to seek higher ground, but most simply stood by and watched them pass.
In the town of Iwaki, there was no electricity, stores were closed and residents left as food and fuel supplies dwindled. Local police took in about 90 people and gave them blankets and rice balls, but there was no sign of government or military aid trucks.
