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Re: Steven Tyler Wants To Record New Aerosmith LP, But He Can't Find Joe P
I love how people's argument (DCK) against those who think old bands should hang it up after sucking/drama (me, Russ, James, others) is that WE are being selfish, and that our love of music does not revolve around us.
In other words - we're selfish music lovers.
Yet, the attitude of wanting a great band to drive their legacy and credibility into the ground, so YOU can get more music, even shitty music, out of their catalog is about a billion times more selfish than anything I could ever say.
YOU are the ones who think musical taste revolves around you. Not us. I'm sure you'll still be demanding The Rolling Stones perform for you when they're 90 and in wheelchairs so YOU can be entertained.
What happened to the honor of bowing out GRACEFULLY? Ever thought of that? GN'R actually in a way did just that in 1993. Unfortunately it was all reversed by Axl.
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Re: Steven Tyler Wants To Record New Aerosmith LP, But He Can't Find Joe P
Interesting...the question is...does the future negate the past.....
Like if aerosmith were to put out 5 shit albums this year, would that somehow lower their achievements as an influential classic rock band of the 70s?
Same with GNR, if Axl were to put out a bunch of substandard songs, would it interfer with our enjoyment of the classic hits?
It's an interesting dilemma.
Generally I'm from the school where I like people to keep contributing what they have. Many have said Ac/Dc should stop - but I enjoy a few songs off black ice as much as many of the classics - although I might be unusual that way.
But if they did put out rubbish - would it lower my opinion of them - not sure - I doubt it - as I'd still respect the past.
The only situation this has ever happened to me in was Star Wars.
(Sorry for thread derail).
But I grew up loving those movies. IMO at the time of production they were far and beyond anything else around. Then they made the new movies. Now normally I can love an original film, and if they made 5 crap sequals it doesn't bother my love of the original. For example I love Alien 1 and 2, but not so much the rest...the others have their moments..but they also frustrate me...but it doesnt effect my love of 1 and 2.
But those new starwars movies....I tired to get into them. Didn't work. Then i tried to ignore them and just love the old ones. That still does work...but if i'm going to be honest...i actually think the newer ones somehow DAMAGED my love of the older ones....which is bizzare. Although that could be because of the intergration of the old and the new, they keep remaking the old ones and tying to make them more busy like the new - so it's prob more like if aerosmith pulled out a new album - and released an auto-tuned re-record of their classic shit at the same time!
Anyway, i'm getting us off topic...but it is an interesting dilemma...if the new albums suck enough...can that ruin the old ones in our heads? I guess a lot of music is also image and mystique so it sort of can.
So i can see how you guys can feel that way.
Then again, like i said, saw steven sing the other day and thought "there's a guy who still has a gift" - it'd be criminal to waste that out of fear of not being able to equal the past.....
Re: Steven Tyler Wants To Record New Aerosmith LP, But He Can't Find Joe P
I love how people's argument (DCK) against those who think old bands should hang it up after sucking/drama (me, Russ, James, others) is that WE are being selfish, and that our love of music does not revolve around us.
In other words - we're selfish music lovers.
Yet, the attitude of wanting a great band to drive their legacy and credibility into the ground, so YOU can get more music, even shitty music, out of their catalog is about a billion times more selfish than anything I could ever say.
YOU are the ones who think musical taste revolves around you. Not us. I'm sure you'll still be demanding The Rolling Stones perform for you when they're 90 and in wheelchairs so YOU can be entertained.
What happened to the honor of bowing out GRACEFULLY? Ever thought of that? GN'R actually in a way did just that in 1993. Unfortunately it was all reversed by Axl.
Hahaha, that's so much bullshit man.
See monkey's reply above.
If they want to make music, let them make music. If it's shit then at least they did something they wanted to do, and maybe a few percentage around the globe actually LIKED it.
If GNR bowed out gracefully in 93, it would be dead and buried and NEITHER of us would be here. Seriously. It's a lot of fun isn't it?
And like monkey says, if someone puts out 5 shitty albums, does those albums contaminate the old stuff you like or something?
And if Rolling Stones wanna tour when they are 90, I say fucking let them, if that's what they wanna do. No one pushing them to do it.
Musical taste got nothing to do with it. It's about what they wanna do. If Axl wanna release an album then he should. If Aerosmith want to release three albums full of shit, they should. If that's what they wanna do. It got absolutely nothing to do with us in that sense. Appetite and Pump will still be shining brightly anyway.
What the fuck is it anyway, to like music and bands, but not want them to either perform or play? What is that about?? What is it about people wanting Axl to bow out of the spotlight and not make music because "he's shitting on legacy". Is this religion or is it music?
If Aerosmith doesn't want to make more albums and say "we're tired..." then that's fucking fine. If Steven Tyler in 1993 went out and said "Im not gonna make more albums or tour anymore, because I'm bowing out gracefully...on top of the game.." it would first of all miss us out on several albums which MANY people around the world really loved, it's also hilarious to think like that.
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Re: Steven Tyler Wants To Record New Aerosmith LP, But He Can't Find Joe P
Another example is slash. I've met people who say slash should have gone away after GNR cos everthign since was not as good.
Now obviously slash was amazing in GNR, but at the same time, I enjoyed VR (secret to me was not to get it into a competition mentally with GNR) and right now I'm listening to the hell out of the solo album. I like some of the songs on that more than any new song i've heard from anyone in a LONG time...and I got to say..last time I saw slash live I thought he played better than he used to...despite not being able to run around like he did as a kid.
I think in the future it wont matter about legacy...any ruining will be temporary. GNR will be remembered for AFD whatever they do now.
i'm sure someone like shakesphere has plays that are considered less brilliant than the all time classics. Imagine if he never wrote hamlet cos someone told him not to ruin the legacy of romeo&julet and King Lear...or whatever...hahah.
Re: Steven Tyler Wants To Record New Aerosmith LP, But He Can't Find Joe P
The future does negate the past. Case in point.
The Rolling Stones still perform across the world, but the large majority of fans don't want to hear anything past the late 70's in their catalog for the most part.
AC/DC is a successful live act, but still rely on Razor's Edge and earlier.
GN'R still bank the majority of their live set on AFD, their most successful album.
Skid Row, a once successful rock band, has virtually buried themselves because of poor business & artistic decisions since Slave To The Grind.
Despite the success of Aerosmith as a whole, the majority of their original fans detest their 80's success.
Van Halen ain't playing Hagar-era songs with David Lee Roth on vocals, despite having equal if not bigger-success with Hagar. Yet the reverse circumstances was not granted to Hagar.
and so on...
And why am I saying this? Because all of these artists KNOW that if they were to abandon their classics to favor their new recordings that NONE of their recordings would be strong enough to carry and/or reinvent the band or sustain it's future.
Why is that Axlin?
Because it's NOT GOOD. Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Beatles, hell The Sex Pistols... all had their legacies preserved by getting out when they did. GN'R used to.
There's a reason about 90% of America doesn't even acknowledge the existence of Guns N' Roses past 1993. They're trying to hold on to that memory. Metallica & U2 are recent acts that i've seen that have found someway to keep moving forward, despite a deep catalog.
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Re: Steven Tyler Wants To Record New Aerosmith LP, But He Can't Find Joe P
U2 and Metallica (St Anger aside...lol) have still put out great new music that sits well with what they've already released, and neither bands rely too much on nostalgia. They both still try to remain relevant, while keeping true to their pasts, if that makes sense.
I think that is the difference
Re: Steven Tyler Wants To Record New Aerosmith LP, But He Can't Find Joe P
I think The Beatles could have put out creative music forever had the survived and had the desire to do so. While they may not have been quite as popular individually, they all had at least moderate success, and had they still been feeding off of each other, I think they could have done well. They quit because they had internal issues that stripped the desire to work together.
But I do get (even if I don't completely agree with) your point.
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Re: Steven Tyler Wants To Record New Aerosmith LP, But He Can't Find Joe P
And why am I saying this? Because all of these artists KNOW that if they were to abandon their classics to favor their new recordings that NONE of their recordings would be strong enough to carry and/or reinvent the band or sustain it's future.
That's not just about the recordings though. It's about human nature. It's the same reason actors get typecast...you do something insanely well once...and that's what people want to see. I watch airforce one and I think "hey some fucker made indy president" 
Also people wanna hear those old songs because they changed their lives at important times. You know like you go to an Ac/Dc gig and there's dudes there who lost their virginity to "you shook me all night long" or whatever.
I mean it makes sence for people to want bands to play the hits - that shit is what made them famous afterall. But does that mean everyone who does something great should hang up the hat after their first real success?
Should speilberg have called it a day after ET?
Because it's NOT GOOD.
Metallica & U2 are recent acts that i've seen that have found someway to keep moving forward, despite a deep catalog.
Yeah...well I mean I can't fault a band for playing the hits, but I think a few bands do what Metallica etc do - which is play a shit ton of hits but also a few cuts from the newest album of the time most shows.
And while the classics are classics for good reason, I also think some old bands have new offerings that are pretty damn good stuff.
I think Angel Down was pretty awesome, at least as good as most of the skid row outings of the day except maybe Skid Rows first album.
Black Ice from Ac/Dc was a really strong album too. I like some of those songs as much as the classics. I wouldnt wanna replace the classics, but they're more companion pieces. Glad to have them.
And Medgadeth's Endgame album kicks some serious ass. I already talked about slash.
If all these people had quit in their hayday, I wouldn't have half my favourite songs of the moment.
Re: Steven Tyler Wants To Record New Aerosmith LP, But He Can't Find Joe P
STEVEN TYLER Talks 'American Idol', Next AEROSMITH Album - Jan. 11, 2011
In anticipation of "American Idol"'s 10th season, which begins on January 19, the new judges' panel — AEROSMITH's Steven Tyler, Randy Jackson and Jennifer Lopez — along with host Ryan Seacrest, was interviewed on last night's (Monday, January 10) edition of NBC-TV's "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno". Video footage of some of their appearance can be viewed below.
When asked by USA Today what he brings to the show, Tyler replied, "I certainly know music enough. I can't say I know every genre, but 40 years has been good to me. We veni-vidi-vicied — we came, we saw, we conquered — everywhere we went, and it was great and we learned a lot from it."
Regarding what AEROSMITH is up to, Tyler said, "[We're] taking a break. Not that doing an album's taking a break. ... I've called most of them and said, 'Let's get together in L.A.' So, January, February, March, April, May, we're going to be working on the new record, hopefully recording in June, July and August, and then going on tour September, October, November, December, and then doing Idol again."
In a new interview with RollingStone.com, Tyler said that guitarist Joe Perry is the one holding up the recording of a new AEROSMITH album. The singer said that after spending several months preparing for his first season as a judge on "American Idol", he's ready to get to work on the band's first all-new set since 2001. Tyler explained, "I'm trying to rally the guys together. We're having trouble getting Joe. I don't know where he is, but just come down to L.A. at the end of January sometime. I've had enough downtime."
Tyler added, "[Joe's] got LSD — Lead Strummer Disorder. We've been brothers forever. He's just going through his thing. I think the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of unrecorded Joe Perry licks floating around in the ether somewhere."
Tyler told The Pulse Of Radio last June that he felt sure about making a new record. "It's something that we all wanna do and we all are gonna do, and that's that," he said. "You know, once you've written your first song, it's very addicting. You've got to keep writing, and God knows Joe's kept writing and I've been writing and we're gonna put it back together again. It's just what it is, you know."
It was just over a year ago that the future of AEROSMITH itself was in doubt, followed a canceled summer 2009 tour, a stint in rehab for Tyler and a public feud between him and the rest of the band that included threats about hiring a new singer.
The group mended its fences in early 2010 and took off on successful South American and North American treks. Then Tyler's stint on "American Idol" was made public, putting AEROSMITH on hold once again.
Perry has had nothing good to say about "American Idol", calling it "one step above Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. When we put this band together, this is not something that [Steven Tyler] would do."
Steven Tyler in The Tonight Show with Jay Leno 2011.01.10
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