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Re: Duff Joining GNR (Oct 14, 2010) was awesome but dumb
Axlin08 wrote:I also think Axl doesn't give two shits about Gilby or Matt. He sees them as replacement players,
Unfortuantely it's that same attitude that could also mean any of the current "replacment players" could be out on their ass in a heart beat if it suited Axl.
I agree that it appears Axl can make good $$'s without reuniting. BUT at heart he is a musician and I'm sure as part of that the ego wants the music to reach as many people as possible, to be king of the mountain, to have large scale success. Whilst Axl's career obviously hasn't been a failure post '93 I'm sure he would have like to have had a bit more commercial succes.
The X factor of a reunion thrown in with some new music gives him a slim chance of scaling to some of those dizzy heights of success that they enjoyed previously. It would never get to the same heights but he would still be looking down on aything he could achieve with any version of NuGNR.
I don't think Axl would be as quick to fire/dismiss the new band members as some might think. Despite what people might think this man actively tried to get both Buckethead and put up with Robin's "in n' out" attitude for years, and still wanted him back in 2008-09, before going the DJ route.
The other members have been behind Axl since the inception of the new GN'R and some have more seniority than the old guys. Ron & Frank have cemented their roles by being ultra-cooperative and being ambassadors to the band, filling that Slash & Duff void of allowing Axl to be absent to representing GN'R.
That's gonna count in Axl's book at the end of the day imo.
what this did in my opinion is make the rock and roll hall of fame way more realistic. He could possibly stomach Slash for a few songs. What kinda sucks with the Duff thing ,we really didn't get the HUGE payoff.
When Axl introduced Duff and told the story.. Duff u could tell wasn't sure if he should go over and hug Axl or what.. u could tell he was indecisive and he took a step or two towards Axl then stopped, kinda looked... kinda awkward and then left. Axl didn't really acknowledge him other than looking at him singing the break ur heart in two line...
Some of that imo was because Tommy kept hogging Duff from everyone imo. Not that it wasn't cool, but Axl wasn't the only one shut out. Ron & DJ both, along with Axl, tried to interact with Duff, but Tommy was acting like a little kid who hadn't seen his daddy in a year.
I personally think Axl was trying to be polite and let Duff do what he wanted without interfering.
Plus we also don't know what went on backstage. Axl & Duff could've fucked for all we know, and because they didn't do it on stage it was cold.
The only reason I think this is even being measured is everyone is holding this appearence up to the Izzy appearence, and in 2006 Axl & Izzy were much more touchy-feeley, they were being seen having dinner consistently, and during the performances Izzy stayed close to Axl. Everyone is trying to measure this Duff one-off against that. I think if Duff were to make more appearences on this tour or future ones, people could gauge a bit better.
Axl and Slash touring would obviously be more high profile than the current tour, but no way in hell are people gonna buy that as the reunion. Fortus will have bottles of piss raining down on his head while people chant for Izzy. You're really underestimating the intelligence of long time fans. When Axl used to introduce the band members in the classic era, each member got a huge reaction from the crowd. Just because Izzy doesn't sell millions of copies of his Itunes records doesn't mean he wont be missed if/when a reunion happens.
You're really overestimating the intelligence of the fans. Long time fans are the ones cumming all over the prospect of CD II and/or a 2010 band album. They aren't gonna care either way. It could be Barry Gibb backed by a bunch of hired musicians, called "Guns N' Roses" and they'd still be beating off to it.
Only the geeks are gonna notice Izzy's absence. Come on, when the 2008 leaks happened, the majority of people on the internet (NOT THE BOARDS) were talking how AMAZING Slash sounded on If The World.
THIS is your casual GN'R fan, ticket buyer. Trust me.
Gilby was all over TSI and Axl recorded Dead Flowers on Pawnshop Guitars. Fortus strums a guitar on a few songs buried in the mix.
I think Gilby has the advantage in that battle
I think Gilby is a far better player, but I think Fortus being apart of Chinese Democracy and God knows how many other vault trx, plus nine years in the band, will give him a huge advantage over Gilby in a potential reunion.
Personally I think Richard would be gone regardless. Even if Izzy doesn't come, I think Duff would be moved to rhythm, and Tommy left on bass. Personally, i'd like it better that way, if Izzy decided not to participate.
While Stinson isn't a huge star, he is certainly well known and no one is gonna think he is Duff.
Once again, you highly overestimate the intelligence of fans. People on the street barely know Duff, let alone some nobody named Tommy Stinson.
I'm not saying that to slight Tommy, but everyone knows people who likes bands ALWAYS pay more attention to the singer and guitarist.
Gene Simmons is probably the most popular bassist in the world.
elevendayempire wrote:Honestly, the only way I'd accept a reunion is if I don't feel that it's shitting on the current members of the band. Tommy, Dizzy and Pitman in particular.
If there was a true "all-five" reunion, the only one of these three who might have to go is Tommy. Dizzy is UYI "original" in that he wasn't replacing anybody to join, and Pitman is completely off in his own category, so wouldn't be in anyone's way.
I've felt this way for awhile. Dizzy ain't going anywhere. Period, end of discussion. The man has been there since 1990, been friends with the band even longer than that, and still there to this day.
He's not going anywhere. Even if there was a full-blown AFD-era band reunion, Dizzy would be on keys, at least.
Re: Duff Joining GNR (Oct 14, 2010) was awesome but dumb
So I read that whole post and the only question I have is was Axl or Duff on the receiving end backstage?
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Re: Duff Joining GNR (Oct 14, 2010) was awesome but dumb
A Private Eye wrote:Axlin08 wrote:Somehow I don't imagine a GN'R reunion becoming the watercooler talk of the world Mikka.
Only in the minds of the geeks. Sure it'd be big, but I think some of you overexaggerate it's potential effect.
Spot on, in the same way CD didn't reinvent music as we know it and Prostitute wasn't the best selling single of all time a reunion wouldn't stop the traffic in the street like some may think.
It'd make the front cover of music mags, it may even make tv news but it's not going to be a world event.
This has been my stance for quite awhile. I used to think it'd be one of the biggest musical stories in history, but just no way in hell is it gonna be like that in 2010 and beyond. If it had happened in that 2000-02 period, it might have been similar to what happened with the resurgence of the Stones in 1989 with the Steel Wheels album/tour. Could have been a massive act even with few album releases(Stones/U2).
Its just not gonna be at that level for many reasons. It will be an arena act at best and may have trouble selling tix in smaller markets. Could easily sell out Wembley. Tokyo Dome,etc. and over here maybe Giants Stadium but when we get down to brass tacks, the reunion shindig will be occurring in arenas.
Like you said, it'll be front page news the moment its announced but the next day its back to business as usual.
Just like with CD, some forum junkies are gonna be shocked at the minimal impact that occurs.
And honestly, I think it's been that way since the heyday. The only real figures most audiences know is Axl & Slash. The reason if it was Axl & Slash, backed by Ron, Richard, Tommy, Frank, Dizzy & Chris, people would be screaming "REUNION!"
Axl and Slash touring would obviously be more high profile than the current tour, but no way in hell are people gonna buy that as the reunion. Fortus will have bottles of piss raining down on his head while people chant for Izzy. You're really underestimating the intelligence of long time fans. When Axl used to introduce the band members in the classic era, each member got a huge reaction from the crowd. Just because Izzy doesn't sell millions of copies of his Itunes records doesn't mean he wont be missed if/when a reunion happens.
I think it's a sad shame, but if Axl were to walk out with Tommy and introduce him as "on the bass guitar, Mr. Duff McKagen", most would cheer and just assumed he dyed his hair.
While Stinson isn't a huge star, he is certainly well known and no one is gonna think he is Duff.
Would you consider a reunion with the 'Appetite' or 'Illusions' lineups?
No.
Meh. He changes his mind when it suits him. His 92 interview with RS was basically a huge rant towards Izzy including saying he didn't want Izzy to be in his life again and he also bitched about Izzy at several shows on the 2002 tour. We know how that turned out. On the next tour he was practically a member of the touring lineup. Bitched about Sorum several times in the past then the two had a cozy little chat in 2006. Same with Adler. Pretty sure he also ranted about Duff on that 2002 tour and released a statement through his attorney during that 2005 crap...
Slash and Duff have an unfortunate pattern over the past few years of filing sensational but baseless lawsuits for the purpose of generating anti-Axl propaganda. It is clear that Slash and Duff are looking for another opportunity to spread untruths about Axl in an effort to hurt his reputation and to alienate his fans while at the same time creating a profile for themselves.
Go listen to the Albany 2002 rant on how he feels about Slash, Duff,etc.
In 1999-2002 he was very negative towards Slash. In 2006 when he resurfaced, "I love the guy, I always wanted everyone to know how great he was...", then a few months later was that Axl/Weiland/Slash crap.
He called Slash a cancer a year ago? Big whoop. He'll call him a saint next year.
Richard Fortus is more legit than Gilby.
Gilby was all over TSI and Axl recorded Dead Flowers on Pawnshop Guitars. Fortus strums a guitar on a few songs buried in the mix.
I think Gilby has the advantage in that battle.
I even think Slash is at a point now where he would probably do whatever Axl wanted just to get back with the band
I've never understood that point of view considering Slash has had the most success out of the original members. You act like he's done nothing and is begging to come back.
If he starts to ease up on the man and starts to praise him, then I'll believe a reunion may be on the horizon.
He was praising him four years ago.
All we need to remember about this is, Axl said he would maybe do something with Duff. And he did.
No matter how much that shits all over your selective memory and fantasy, those are the facts.
End of story!
Definitely not the end of the story as his views on all the ex members change from year to year.
If you think he has continually stated he would do something with Duff, it is you that is suffering from selective memory.
Axl pretty much made it clear that he was misquoted that he said he "loved Slash" as in past tense. He talked about having his feelings hurt by Izzy when he played with him in 2006 where Izzy wanted money for it, and reitereated how unreliable he is. He's actually been very consistent. And I haven't heard him retract anything he's said about Duff and Izzy at any point. I don't know how he was praising Slash 4 years ago...
Axl doesn't talk much. And when he did he said he 'd play with Duff again with Duff on guitar. That's what happened. That's not selective memory. He didn't have to say it over and over again for it to mean, or mean something else, or whatever it's supposed to mean.
And I never said anything close that he was begging to come back. I said he's probably at the point in his life now where he'd be willing to do whatever Axl wanted to share the stage with him again. Bu do I think he really wants to play with Axl in GNR again? Absolutely and I think he'd drop all the baggage and ego to do it. I think he wants to do it more than any other ex member.
Re: Duff Joining GNR (Oct 14, 2010) was awesome but dumb
Wow. That's some spin. Sometimes I think some of the people here are on Axl's payroll with their active imaginations.
I think Slash is making more money than Axl is. I think you're quite mistaken that he'd drop anything to play with Axl. I think his expectation is that Axl will drop his diva antics to play with him or it won't happen. THAT has been consistant.
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Re: Duff Joining GNR (Oct 14, 2010) was awesome but dumb
Slash made a shit load of money on the tour and album since he self financed the album...
Slash would LOVE to play with Axl again, when Axl is willing to treat him like a human, partner, and not a dictator/boss... Slash still loves Axl, its Axl with the problem, not Slash.
Re: Duff Joining GNR (Oct 14, 2010) was awesome but dumb
The Slash thing lies somewhere in the middle. I think Slash would love to drop everything and bring back the old Guns thing with Axl. It'd just make them all richer.
But I do think Slash is only willing to do it on certain terms, and I believe he's stated them in the past - they're all equals. That was Slash's main problem in 1995 or so when Axl had secured the rights to the name a few years earlier, and little did they know that he was going to leave their business arrangement and take the name with him to start his own business, and they were welcomed to join - on Axl's terms - which means contract players like you have today.
Slash hated it then, and he hates it now. If Slash was willing to bend to that request, I think he'd of done it YEARS ago.
It's obvious neither man is willing to give in.
The difference is - Axl doesn't care. Slash is sitting back, "i'm not gonna do this, i'm not gonna do that", Axl's going "no one asked you to".
