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Re: Leeds, United Kingdom - August 29, 2010 (Leeds Festival)
IF it were any other band doing what GnR did last night people would be commending them - or they should be.
an 11.30PM curfew is an insult to any sensible person let alone a rock n roll festival on a fucking friday.
it's not like they're rockin the suburbs @ half 4 in the morning on a weekday. if people can't host a rock gig after midnight they shouldn't bother.
and the amazing thing is, the curfew is normally 11:00PM!! GnR got it extended especially until 11:30PM. & they got 30mins extra after that.
Re: Leeds, United Kingdom - August 29, 2010 (Leeds Festival)
That was the deal and they knew it months in advance, and they gave reassurances to the organisers all the way along. Every other band on the day managed to play their sets at the allocated time, but GN'R are above that?
Re: Leeds, United Kingdom - August 29, 2010 (Leeds Festival)
Promoter should call Slash and let him do the shows, that would be fucking hysterical.
That would be the fucking best ever. Drop Gn'R anyways and call Slash. That would be insane and would ignite these Gn'R boards big time 
Re: Leeds, United Kingdom - August 29, 2010 (Leeds Festival)
the root of the issue is an 11pm or even 11:30pm curfew is inherently wrong & people should be protesting the issue instead of letting it & rock n roll become standardised & homogenised. anyone who appreciates the freedom music, rock n roll, affords should be above nonsensical & detrimental rules that take away from the experience (that same rule of thumb applies to the setlist complaints btw).
rock n roll shouldn't be dictated to by money men, concert promoters or local councils. it should controlled by those who believe in it.
Re: Leeds, United Kingdom - August 29, 2010 (Leeds Festival)
Regardless of what side of the fence you're on, last night's fiasco shows this shindig is not worthy of being a headlining act, at least on the festival circuit. They come to this side of the pond next year to play some festivals, Axl's gonna need to wake up a bit earlier in preparation of doing a show because he will be going on before several other acts.
Canceling the next show onstage during a hissy fit is as unprofessional as it gets.
Re: Leeds, United Kingdom - August 29, 2010 (Leeds Festival)
the root of the issue is an 11pm or even 11:30pm curfew is inherently wrong & people should be protesting the issue instead of letting it & rock n roll become standardised & homogenised. anyone who appreciates the freedom music, rock n roll, affords should be above nonsensical & detrimental rules that take away from the experience (that same rule of thumb applies to the setlist complaints btw).
rock n roll shouldn't be dictated to by money men, concert promoters or local councils. it should controlled by those who believe in it.
Those things apply to rock and roll at every level. When I was a teenager my band decided we wanted to play in a Park, so we told a bunch of people, set up, and started to play. The cops came and told us we had to quit, we couldn't just do that. Even at 17 or 18 we said "Sorry Sir, We didn't know that" and went and probably played some more at somebody's house.
Playing local clubs, if you don't do what the clubowners want, they aren't going to want you back. You'll soon you'll start running out of places to play.
"Money men, concert promoters or local councils", are all part of what makes it the music "business". If Axl hates that business (and there's nothing wrong with hating it) he can stay at home and release albums to the internet like Izzy does.
Re: Leeds, United Kingdom - August 29, 2010 (Leeds Festival)
johndivney wrote:the root of the issue is an 11pm or even 11:30pm curfew is inherently wrong & people should be protesting the issue instead of letting it & rock n roll become standardised & homogenised. anyone who appreciates the freedom music, rock n roll, affords should be above nonsensical & detrimental rules that take away from the experience (that same rule of thumb applies to the setlist complaints btw).
rock n roll shouldn't be dictated to by money men, concert promoters or local councils. it should controlled by those who believe in it.Those things apply to rock and roll at every level. When I was a teenager my band decided we wanted to play in a Park, so we told a bunch of people, set up, and started to play. The cops came and told us we had to quit, we couldn't just do that. Even at 17 or 18 we said "Sorry Sir, We didn't know that" and went and probably played some more at somebody's house.
Playing local clubs, if you don't do what the clubowners want, they aren't going to want you back. You'll soon you'll start running out of places to play.
"Money men, concert promoters or local councils", are all part of what makes it the music "business".
why can't we change it? why does it have to be the way these people say it has to be?
GnR have a platform, or rather axl has a platform, cause he's got a catalogue of outstanding songs behind him & a strong brand name. it should be expected of someone with that power to be questioning authority & the rules of the bizness. he should be applauded rather than derided. it's the normal people like bono & jon bon jovi who have by and large sucked all the value out of classic rock by their adherence to the status quo's rules; they've thwarted not only rock n rolls evolution but are killing it by having validated a standardised way of behaving that's as phoney and fake as your next pop-princess or boyband. what we've ended up with is a world of the killers, arcade fire, the hold steady.
GnR have always existed outside those parameters. GnR have always been about freedom of expression - no matter how petty it gets it's still a damn sight more honourable than any of the boring rule-abiding sheep that are held in such high esteem by their fellow flocks.
Re: Leeds, United Kingdom - August 29, 2010 (Leeds Festival)
Axl S wrote:Could people please stop defending GN'R. They don't deserve it and now they're trying to make the promoter look like the bad guy after they went on really late. And not late as in they arrived at the venue late, they were at the venue. They just didn't want to go on. Dicks.
Thinking the promoter is a dumbass doesn't mean you are defending GNR. The subjects are not mutually exclusive.
And while we're at it, could people please stop putting words in people's mouths.
Yes, the promoter was completely stupid for booking an act known more for it's irresponsibility than anything else to close a show with a curfew.
Having said that, the promoter was completely right to tell said irresponsible act what the rules were and what would happen if they weren't followed. Only someone as paranoid as Axl would take that as a threat.
this is totally a "which came first" situation when placing blame. Neither party handled it perfectly, but at least the promoter tried to make it work. Axl on the other hand...
Re: Leeds, United Kingdom - August 29, 2010 (Leeds Festival)
jorge76 wrote:johndivney wrote:the root of the issue is an 11pm or even 11:30pm curfew is inherently wrong & people should be protesting the issue instead of letting it & rock n roll become standardised & homogenised. anyone who appreciates the freedom music, rock n roll, affords should be above nonsensical & detrimental rules that take away from the experience (that same rule of thumb applies to the setlist complaints btw).
rock n roll shouldn't be dictated to by money men, concert promoters or local councils. it should controlled by those who believe in it.Those things apply to rock and roll at every level. When I was a teenager my band decided we wanted to play in a Park, so we told a bunch of people, set up, and started to play. The cops came and told us we had to quit, we couldn't just do that. Even at 17 or 18 we said "Sorry Sir, We didn't know that" and went and probably played some more at somebody's house.
Playing local clubs, if you don't do what the clubowners want, they aren't going to want you back. You'll soon you'll start running out of places to play.
"Money men, concert promoters or local councils", are all part of what makes it the music "business".
why can't we change it? why does it have to be the way these people say it has to be?
GnR have a platform, or rather axl has a platform, cause he's got a catalogue of outstanding songs behind him & a strong brand name. it should be expected of someone with that power to be questioning authority & the rules of the bizness. he should be applauded rather than derided. it's the normal people like bono & jon bon jovi who have by and large sucked all the value out of classic rock by their adherence to the status quo's rules; they've thwarted not only rock n rolls evolution but are killing it by having validated a standardised way of behaving that's as phoney and fake as your next pop-princess or boyband. what we've ended up with is a world of the killers, arcade fire, the hold steady.
GnR have always existed outside those parameters. GnR have always been about freedom of expression - no matter how petty it gets it's still a damn sight more honourable than any of the boring rule-abiding sheep that are held in such high esteem by their fellow flocks.
that's the funniest thing I've read here in years...
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Re: Leeds, United Kingdom - August 29, 2010 (Leeds Festival)
jorge76 wrote:johndivney wrote:the root of the issue is an 11pm or even 11:30pm curfew is inherently wrong & people should be protesting the issue instead of letting it & rock n roll become standardised & homogenised. anyone who appreciates the freedom music, rock n roll, affords should be above nonsensical & detrimental rules that take away from the experience (that same rule of thumb applies to the setlist complaints btw).
rock n roll shouldn't be dictated to by money men, concert promoters or local councils. it should controlled by those who believe in it.Those things apply to rock and roll at every level. When I was a teenager my band decided we wanted to play in a Park, so we told a bunch of people, set up, and started to play. The cops came and told us we had to quit, we couldn't just do that. Even at 17 or 18 we said "Sorry Sir, We didn't know that" and went and probably played some more at somebody's house.
Playing local clubs, if you don't do what the clubowners want, they aren't going to want you back. You'll soon you'll start running out of places to play.
"Money men, concert promoters or local councils", are all part of what makes it the music "business".
why can't we change it? why does it have to be the way these people say it has to be?
GnR have a platform, or rather axl has a platform, cause he's got a catalogue of outstanding songs behind him & a strong brand name. it should be expected of someone with that power to be questioning authority & the rules of the bizness. he should be applauded rather than derided. it's the normal people like bono & jon bon jovi who have by and large sucked all the value out of classic rock by their adherence to the status quo's rules; they've thwarted not only rock n rolls evolution but are killing it by having validated a standardised way of behaving that's as phoney and fake as your next pop-princess or boyband. what we've ended up with is a world of the killers, arcade fire, the hold steady.
GnR have always existed outside those parameters. GnR have always been about freedom of expression - no matter how petty it gets it's still a damn sight more honourable than any of the boring rule-abiding sheep that are held in such high esteem by their fellow flocks.
In all seriousness, how old are you?
