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Re: Gnr ranked 17th in top 25 tours mid year (billboard)
The fact still is, 8 years later, GNR are still playing big venues all over the world!
Axl's playing big venues all over the world. GN'R hasn't played since July 17th, 1993.
Go on, put your head in the sand, deny reality and hope it goes away...
It has really worked wonders since '93...
Re: Gnr ranked 17th in top 25 tours mid year (billboard)
James Lofton wrote:Yes, Madagascar sucked and the medley was one of THE dumbest moves in the band's history. They should have performed Better or the title track.
I highly question if Better even existed that far back. I've always thought of that song being born just before Bucket exited. Bucket's contribution to the studio cut is small. It's almost all a Robin song.
They could've done Chinese Democracy. I can understand why Axl felt Madagascar was necessary based on the lyrics alone.
To me, you should've performed two songs, in full, no medley. One old, one new. Opening with Jungle was a smart move.
But there's only two CD songs I can think of that would catch a casual audience, and that's CD & Better. Let's say Better isn't on the table, nor CD. The only two songs that leaves is TWAT and This I Love. TWAT sucks live, but is probably the best song on the album, which leaves This I Love.
Other than TWAT, it's the most "old" Guns N' Roses sounding song on the album.
Most likely, Axl was screwed either way. But I could've easily seen a performance of Jungle, then This I Love. It would've probably put them in the best light they would've possibly been able to achieve.
Naltav wrote:The fact still is, 8 years later, GNR are still playing big venues all over the world!
Axl's playing big venues all over the world. GN'R hasn't played since July 17th, 1993.
faldor wrote:Axl sounded the best on "Madagascar" and that was and still is one of my favorite performances of the song. The band sounded fine on all 3 songs, but Axl certainly wasn't in tip top shape running around and trying to keep up with his singing on WTTJ and PC.
Maybe it was just poor planning. Just as Axl said that the 2002 tour was forced upon him, maybe this was too? Why make that appearance if the album is nowhere near completed? There's probably a reason why Dr. Dre hasn't performed songs from Detox at the VMA's the past few years.
I thought Madagascar sounded great. I actually thought it was the old songs that sounded weak. To me, Maddy was the best, despite being the CD song.
BUT, with that said, I think Maddy was the wrong choice from the CD vault to perform live. If Better didn't exist, it should've been CD or This I Love.
He would have been laughed out of the building if he busted out This I Love. Couple of nerds in cyberspace would have jacked off, but I doubt that was the goal of showing up to the VMA's. Nobody wanted to hear a song like that in 2002. Hell, they still don't. That song should have been left in the 90s where it belongs. A shame the old band couldn't have whipped up a quick album before the implosion. That would have been on it.
While CD and Better the two safest choices, a song that would have got that 2002 crowd rocking and rolling would have been Shackler's Revenge.
Good point on Better probably not even existing yet. Its easy to sometimes forget the cut and paste nature of this album. Every tidbit of music likely existed then but he may not have turned it into an actual song yet. If it did exist though, he was batshit crazy for not unveiling it there.
Medleys rarely work, and they are meant to be hits. Throwing in some new tune in the middle of one makes zero sense. You just hit the crowd over the head with a sledgehammer by showing up, kick their teeth in with Jungle, kill the buzz that's setting the world on fire with a few snippets of Madagascar, then try and reignite that buzz with PC. All of this happened in the span of a few minutes.
I don't even want to imagine how nervous he was. He probably felt the entire vibe change as they went into Madagascar, and I hope he didn't think it's because no one wanted to hear new music. It was the format the song was presented in that was the killer.
You're correct that the best scenario would have been opening with Jungle, and the finale being a new song. The new song should not have been Madagascar. That went over like a walrus turd being served for Thanksgiving dinner instead of a turkey. Need a rocker for a situation like that. Then release that song as a single to ride the wave of that tour.
Anything you can dream up that would go wrong actually did go wrong that year. Nobody knew what to do and in hindsight looks like it was being run by a bunch of amateurs. He should not have been performing at the VMA's without an album on the launch pad, and at least he did finally admit that doing the event was a mistake. That's actually putting it lightly. It virtually destroyed that lineup.
2001-02 was such a critical time frame. He had great publicity in 2001. Media outlets were covering those club shows and they got great reviews. Same with Rio. They were setting him up for a high profile comeback story. He had one chance to kick the world's ass and he blew his load on that VMA medley and then said it wasn't coming. That was the birth pang of the project turning into a pop culture joke. Media still covered the saga but was taking the piss instead of genuine interest.
Re: Gnr ranked 17th in top 25 tours mid year (billboard)
It is good that 2002 did NOT happen. Axl looked like an assclown. Period. 2001 when he had his normal hair and the Chinese shirts going was cool. He was fat but cool in a fat Elvis way. If I could go back and see any show it would be this one....
Re: Gnr ranked 17th in top 25 tours mid year (billboard)
It is good that 2002 did NOT happen. Axl looked like an assclown. Period. 2001 when he had his normal hair and the Chinese shirts going was cool. He was fat but cool in a fat Elvis way. If I could go back and see any show it would be this one....
The VMA'S were new Gnr's Gettysburg.....critical, critical error.
He could have looked like Liberace dressed as Snoop Dogg and it would have went over better than it did in 2008. Even if the general public did not latch on to the album, it would have sold like hotcakes for at least a few weeks due to the media interest alone. It probably would have kept that 2002 tour alive as well. Once people realized no album was coming, it was over.
The way he/they rolled out the album in 2008 highlighted the absurdity even more. You immediately realized the exact same thing could have easily happened six years earlier. It even had the same album cover for fucks sake.
Re: Gnr ranked 17th in top 25 tours mid year (billboard)
Naltav wrote:The fact still is, 8 years later, GNR are still playing big venues all over the world!
Axlin08 wrote:Axl's playing big venues all over the world. GN'R hasn't played since July 17th, 1993.
Go on, put your head in the sand, deny reality and hope it goes away...
It has really worked wonders since '93...
I'm denying reality, I'M DENYING REALITY??!??!?!
That is absolutely rich. The only people living in a Phantasm-like dream world are Axl, you and the rest of the HTGTH fanatics, who still think that Guns N' Roses has existed in the last 14 years.
I'm the Tall Man, smacking you over the head with reality... the game is finished, welcome home... BOOOYYYYY
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Re: Gnr ranked 17th in top 25 tours mid year (billboard)
madagas wrote:It is good that 2002 did NOT happen. Axl looked like an assclown. Period. 2001 when he had his normal hair and the Chinese shirts going was cool. He was fat but cool in a fat Elvis way. If I could go back and see any show it would be this one....
The VMA'S were new Gnr's Gettysburg.....critical, critical error.
He could have looked like Liberace dressed as Snoop Dogg and it would have went over better than it did in 2008. Even if the general public did not latch on to the album, it would have sold like hotcakes for at least a few weeks due to the media interest alone. It probably would have kept that 2002 tour alive as well. Once people realized no album was coming, it was over.
The way he/they rolled out the album in 2008 highlighted the absurdity even more. You immediately realized the exact same thing could have easily happened six years earlier. It even had the same album cover for fucks sake.
Worst thing about waiting 6 years was the Internet download revolution. This isn't to say that it wasn't already an issue in 2002, but iTunes hadn't taken over the legal download side of things yet. The biggest problem for artists wanting to sell albums nowadays is that iTunes has brought back the era of singles that was so popular 50 years ago. The industry moved to album-oriented sales for a long time and has now moved back to singles. 2002 was basically part of the last gasp of the album-oriented era of music sales. They would have sold a shitload more copies just based on that aspect alone.
Re: Gnr ranked 17th in top 25 tours mid year (billboard)
Naltav wrote:Naltav wrote:The fact still is, 8 years later, GNR are still playing big venues all over the world!
Axlin08 wrote:Axl's playing big venues all over the world. GN'R hasn't played since July 17th, 1993.
Go on, put your head in the sand, deny reality and hope it goes away...
It has really worked wonders since '93...
I'm denying reality, I'M DENYING REALITY??!??!?!
That is absolutely rich. The only people living in a Phantasm-like dream world are Axl, you and the rest of the HTGTH fanatics, who still think that Guns N' Roses has existed in the last 14 years.
I'm the Tall Man, smacking you over the head with reality... the game is finished, welcome home... BOOOYYYYY
I saw GNR in '93, '06 and two times in 2010. That's reality! What you're thinking of, is preference... No matter how many block-letters you use.
