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Re: Axl Rose lawsuit gets off to a touchy start
Axl could make his life easier any time he wants to. He keeps choosing the hard road.
So Axl screws over his manager, but you guys want to make him into a hero because you think the manager is a bad guy not for anything to do with Axl, but because of his other business dealings that you don't like? WTF?
Azoff is just smarter than everybody else and always has put himself ahead of the curve. He's always been one move ahead - that's why he is where he is. There's no reason to think he isn't still one step ahead.
It's perfectly fine not to like Azoff and to love Axl, but don't let that blind you from the facts of the case. Axl's countersuit has little to do with Azoff's lawsuit and everything to do with attacking a person that is just going after what he deserves. There's no chance in hell that Axl's lawsuit ruins Azoff. Axl is a spoiled brat that thinks anybody that doesn't do exactly what he says doesn't deserve anything they earned for what they did do. Even if Azoff tried to get Axl to reunite (which any good manager would do btw), he still deserves to get paid for what he did do. That is how the business world works. That is why Axl will lose this lawsuit battle. This lawsuit isn't going to destroy Azoff's "empire" in any way, shape, or form. It will further solidify it.
I do buy the blacklist thing, but I do believe Axl probably didn't pay or treat Azoff properly.
As for myself, I just don't like Irving Azoff. That's all that is Buzz.
Re: Axl Rose lawsuit gets off to a touchy start
support Axl 10 billion percent on this.... if u don't believe just the merger alone is bullshit, go buy some tickets to a concert. they are ridiculous
I believe Axl on this 100 percent. Ive read about the same shit happening to like Motley Crue etc.
Re: Axl Rose lawsuit gets off to a touchy start
emcitymisfit wrote:Disagree. I think it's easy to make that judgment, but Axl's allegations about a conflict of interest (sabotaging CD in favor of a reunion) go right to the heart of some of the biggest concerns about Azoff's merger.
Assuming the claims are valid (and provable in court), and not just Axl's ranting/passing the buck on his own failures, which can never be ruled out, this could have huge implications for the entire industry. At this point, I wouldn't put money on Axl, but to say that this is just Axl being a brat, which it very may well be, it a bit of a rush to judgment.
A lot of what Axl has said in the past was derided as crazy, but turned out to be true. His track record isn't complete BS, just stained with it.
I'm sorry. We all knew Azoff's reputation...are you saying Axl and his entire team of cronies didn't? He hired a manager known for reuniting huge bands...what exactly did he think was going to happen?
Regardless of that, Azoff set up the tour. That's his job and he did it. He deserves to get paid for it. End of story. The rest of it may be grounds for firing the guy (I guess), but Azoff is going to get paid.
I predict Axl's suit will be dismissed and Axl will go into a hole again thinking "poor me...I can't believe Azoff did that to me. If Azoff had just promoted CD...it would have been huge."
How do you know he set the tour up? Have you seen the signed contracts? Were you privy to the negotiations? Please share your inside information.
Re: Axl Rose lawsuit gets off to a touchy start
buzzsaw wrote:emcitymisfit wrote:Disagree. I think it's easy to make that judgment, but Axl's allegations about a conflict of interest (sabotaging CD in favor of a reunion) go right to the heart of some of the biggest concerns about Azoff's merger.
Assuming the claims are valid (and provable in court), and not just Axl's ranting/passing the buck on his own failures, which can never be ruled out, this could have huge implications for the entire industry. At this point, I wouldn't put money on Axl, but to say that this is just Axl being a brat, which it very may well be, it a bit of a rush to judgment.
A lot of what Axl has said in the past was derided as crazy, but turned out to be true. His track record isn't complete BS, just stained with it.
I'm sorry. We all knew Azoff's reputation...are you saying Axl and his entire team of cronies didn't? He hired a manager known for reuniting huge bands...what exactly did he think was going to happen?
Regardless of that, Azoff set up the tour. That's his job and he did it. He deserves to get paid for it. End of story. The rest of it may be grounds for firing the guy (I guess), but Azoff is going to get paid.
I predict Axl's suit will be dismissed and Axl will go into a hole again thinking "poor me...I can't believe Azoff did that to me. If Azoff had just promoted CD...it would have been huge."
How do you know he set the tour up? Have you seen the signed contracts? Were you privy to the negotiations? Please share your inside information.
Yeah, I was about to ask the same thing...
Re: Axl Rose lawsuit gets off to a touchy start
LOL - who do you think did it? We know Axl didn't do it because he does nothing. Who else is there?
You guys crack me up...
hmmmm...I don't know who did it...that is what separates me from you. You think you know all the answers and really have no idea. I know I don't know and will wait to see how this thing shakes out.
I do know that people file baseless lawsuits on a daily basis against deep pocket defendants (and yes, Axl has deep pockets) in an effort to force them in to some form of settlement....happens every day in my world....going on 18 years now. Sometimes you are forced to settle just to avoid attorney fees...sometimes you say "fuck you" and fight back.
My GUESS is both cases get dismissed or are dropped. Even if they settle, we likely won't hear about it because both sides will want confidentiality agreements.:peace:
Re: Axl Rose lawsuit gets off to a touchy start
I'll take the odds and say Azoff did it. He was the manager and it was his job. Nobody else in the GnR camp has bothered to do anything for 15+ years. I've been playing the odds here for years and been right almost every time. I'd guess this is another one of those times.
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Re: Axl Rose lawsuit gets off to a touchy start
I'm going to speculate that it's probably something in the middle of both sides.
Azoff probably did want a reunion, and because he isn't an idiot, he was probably trying to ease Axl into the idea and therefore from Axl's pov it seemed that he promiced one thing before being hired and another after getting the job.
Meanwhile, someone corporate clearly droped the ball with the CD release, as the album had the worst delivered release of any comperable band IMO, but I suspect Axl punished them for this fuck up by going underground, probably because he was pissed they fucked him over, but the result ended up fucking himself as well and his absence didn't encourage them to do anything.
Then as for this tour, who knows, but I'd say it's probably something like the band booked it themselves, because they no longer were talking to Azoff after he'd mentioned reunion just one too many times and because of the previous bullshit. So maybe azoff didn't do the work, but then I'm guessing he wasn't exactly on speeddial and hang out for pizza status with the GNR clan by then.....Meanwhile, there are some pretty strong Conflict of Interest possibilities when someone wears as many hats as Azoff....so in the end i'd guess neither of them got what they were expecting from the deal.
Re: Axl Rose lawsuit gets off to a touchy start
I'll take the odds and say Azoff did it. He was the manager and it was his job. Nobody else in the GnR camp has bothered to do anything for 15+ years. I've been playing the odds here for years and been right almost every time. I'd guess this is another one of those times.
Like CD never being released...
I don't know what you've been right about. Not goating you, I honestly can't recall anything. You constantly take whatever negative stance there is, not saying you haven't been right about stuff (because, you do love complimenting yourself 
), but it's kind of like answering no to every answer on a test, every once in a while you get one right. I just honestly don't know/remember what you've been right about.
And I'm sure you've got all those correct assumtions written down some place. 
If Azoff did put that tour together he did a really shitty job. We were all blaming Beta and Fernando for it, if I remember right...
