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Re: 24: Series Finale
My guess for the movie is they'd bring back Jack, Chloe, Kim & Tony would be involved somehow. That's still four, which practically an entire TV series cast. The big name actors involved for the film would more than likely be a new president, and possibly the main enemies in the film.
Cole will NOT be in the movie. He might not even make it out of the series finale. Like Dana Walsh his character is hated by the fanbase.
As for the series history...
Wayne Palmer is still around - somewhere. He was nearly killed, but was also supposedly injured heavily, which ended his presidency. President Daniels (Powers Boothe) took over from that point, and Wayne Palmer was pretty much a distant memory and never was mentioned again in the series. This was back mid-Season 6. Boothe was brought back for the TV movie 24: Redemption to phase in President Taylor. Like I said, Palmer was never mentioned again. He didn't die, but I don't think there's any interest and any point in bringing him back. He proved to never be a majorly popular character, and the season in which he was made president, producer Howard Gordon called "the least season of the series", so I don't think he's gonna want to go back to a season he's not fond of.
Audrey Raines was left in a complete mental breakdown the last time we saw her, and it was made very clear that her father James Heller would be having to give her 24/7 care for the rest of her life. He also asked Jack to stay away from her, and that he was cursed. He allowed Jack one final visit with her, and that was that.
As for Jack's former flames, Teri (wife) is dead. Nina is dead. Kate whatever her name was from Season 2 is still alive, but is absolutely hated universally. Audrey is an invalid. There was a woman from the oil fields that Jack had a thing with when he disappeared between Seasons 4 & 5, she's still alive, but was a bit character. Renee is dead.
Chase was missing a hand after Season 3, so he wouldn't be much use, and he's long gone. 6 years is a long time to try and remember the last time you saw a character.
Here's the only ones of any importance that are still out there...
Jack Bauer (obviously)
Kim Bauer (she kind of took a role again late in Season 7, but was wrote off by the beginning of Season 8)
Tony Almeida (still alive, BIG character in series history, ties Chloe with 'senority' excluding Jack, left in well-enough condition at the end of Season 7 that he could return, and easily given Jack's current condition, they're the same person now)
Chloe O'Brien (one of the series most popular characters, and right up there with Tony in time spent on the show, i'd be stunned if she was killed off in the series finale by Jack's hands, if anything one of Logan's people would do it, and it'd send Jack deeper over the edge)
SS Agent Aaron Pearce (super-popular, on the show from Seasons 2-5 & 7, could be brought back in some form)
Mike Novick (Seasons 1-2 & 5, never brought back after that, was popular, but tied into more with David Palmer's presidency, wasn't needed past Season 5)
President Charles Logan (always in play, super popular, on the show now... maybe next week might not be... who knows)
former Homeland Security Director Karen Hayes (Seasons 5-6, on the show at it's pinnacle, popular, was married to the late CTU Director Bill Buchanan, was mentioned a few times in Season 7)
President Noah Daniels (an absolute long shot, forgettable, only on the show for Season 6, but still alive)
David & Wayne Palmer's sister (don't remember her name, Regina King played her, she was only on the show for Season 6)
Everyone else is either dead, or long forgotton at this point.
Re: 24: Series Finale
Amen
All these people talking about how disappointed they were in the Lost series finale, completely overlooked...
24 went out BIG!
Lots of twists and turns, great high drama stuff, I was yelling at the TV kind of stuff... reminded me of the show's prime.
And the final scenes, BEAUTIFUL. EXACTLY how the series should've ended. Open for the film, but GREAT closure for the series, even if the film never happens. Jack goes out the only way i'd imagine he could go out with everything that's went on. Those final scenes with him and Chloe, nearly brought me to tears.
Not to spoil anything, but it had ALOT in common with the Season 4 finale, which was one of the best of the series.
All I could think of, was how disappointing it was that such a GREAT final two hours happened in a season that was absolute shit. Had that ending been tacked on to Season 7, the show would've went out on top.
Re: 24: Series Finale
Wow, I didn't know how you guys would react to the finale. Glad to see you're satisfied. I was actually thinking there may have been more twists and turns along the way, but really, it ended as most fans would've wanted. And to top it off, they set themselves up perfectly if they do indeed want to take it to the big screen, which I hope they do follow through on. The final scenes with Jack and Chloe were good, but I could've done without the line, "since the day you first came to CTU". Thought that was a little cheesy.
I miss the show already. What am I going to watch next year?
Re: 24: Series Finale
Here are more thoughts I've had on the finale.
First of all, so theres no confusion. There will be a movie. They've been talking about it since Season 3 or 4. Hell on the old fox.com/24 forum they had a whole section dedicated to it.
Secondly, there was one plot hole. Unless I misinterpreted a scene. When Logan took the data card into Taylor. She played it back, but it wasnt the card w/ the convo on it. The data card she had was the video Jack made at his shooting spot. I pictured the video he took being his goodbye to Kim. Why would he put the goodbye video on something that (if the evidence was on it) Kim would NEVER see? I wonder where data card w/ the evidence was?
Re: 24: Series Finale
Howard Gordon talks Finale:
SPOILER ALERT: If you have yet to watch the 24 series finale, stop reading now. Executive Producer Howard Gordon may reveal information that you don'™t want to know until you'™ve watched the entire two-hour goodbye, so leave this page ASAP!
Okay, you'™ve been warned'¦
Much about the eighth and final season of 24 may have tried your patience '” Dana Walsh, President Taylor'™s tap dance on the Constitution, Jack'™s attraction to the once hard-hearted, now all-gooey-inside Renee. Fortunately, Executive Producer Howard Gordon '” like Kiefer Sutherland'™s Jack Bauer '” is a thick-skinned man who knows what he wants and makes no apologies. Here, the veteran writer who'™s been on the show since the beginning talks about preparing for the show'™s series finale, why he left some characters on the cutting room floor this season (sorry, Aaron Pierce and Tony Almeida!) and how the finale will tee up the 24 movie.
ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Did you know at the beginning of the season that you wanted Jack looking up at a drone and saying goodbye to Chloe in the end?
HOWARD GORDON: Definitely not. That was something we came to fairly later in the game. And it was an image I was certainly searching for all year but not one that I found until the very end.
What about Jack going completely off the rails?
Yes, that was very much designed from the beginning. How it would end, however, was something that was really unknown. I saw a little bit further ahead than I generally do, and we wanted to knit Jack and Renee together, only to take them apart, and for that to have a really profound effect on Jack. That'™s about as far as we knew in the broad strokes. How that was going to happen, and how it would impact Allison Taylor and Chloe '” those were late-to-the-party additions that I think helped bolster that initial idea.
Did you know at the start of the season that the Russians would be the ultimate villains?
No idea.
So you didn'™t know at the beginning that President Taylor would go to the dark side with Logan?
There was some other mid-season purpose for her, but I can'™t remember. But even in the beginning, I told her I didn'™t have much of a part for her. My initial impulse, and our initial impulse, was that there was no more story to tell. That she, this character, had pretty much exhausted her story. And we needed her mostly to tee-up Omar Hassan, and help ennoble him as a character, rather than you know, step front and center stage herself. So the idea was always to have her at the edges of the stage, teeing up this character, and as it turned out, she became a profound player in the drama. It'™s not just the death of Renee so much as it is the deprivation of justice that gets Jack to this place. I think it'™s really important to look at those two as being, you know, a flip side to the same coin.
You entered treacherous territory with Taylor because you originally set her up to be a principled president.
Yeah, it was a big challenge. I know she was surprised, and she was such a great sport, and such a phenomenal actor. But I have to say, it was challenging both to write and then to communicate to her what we were trying to do.
Did you expect to get push back from fans?
You do this long enough and you start realizing that you are going to get push back for everything. You are not going to win everywhere. There are going to be unhappy people no matter what, and that'™s part of the challenge of doing a show for this long. I think that I would be hard-pressed to look at a show that has kept its fan base completely happy for its entire long run, particularly one that'™s serialized.
You killed off a lot of key people this year.
That'™s not what we set out to do but there was a kind of a go-for-broke aspect to this year, so we felt freer to do some extreme behavior, some extreme things. I really hope that we never merged into the place where it was gratuitous, or sensational, or hysterical. I felt like the deaths that occurred were ones that were justified by the story.
The gut-wrenching scene with Pavel, Renee'™s killer '” what did that get you?
That was a combination of a conversation with Kiefer and a way to dramatize that Jack had actually stepped over the line, and had gone to a red zone. We knew it was going to be a risk. Kiefer really went for it. It was a grotesque ballet that he wound up dancing.
Why did you have Jack fall for Renee?
The human connections that Jack has really makes the seasons stronger. What he wants, and who he wants it with, is really important. In the end, her involvement in what was happening, and her redemption to herself in what was happening, became the very center and the reason why Jack goes back to pick up the gun again.
Dana Walsh wasn'™t very popular with fans, either.
We anticipated that from the very beginning. This woman had a secret life, with a secret life behind it '” something that came out later. It emotionally justified something that we always recognized was a pretty tricky and far-out story. We were very lucky to have Katee Sackhoff play along.
Did you consider a potential love connection between Allison and Ethan, her Secretary of State?
We did consider it. Bob Gunton [Ethan] confessed one night after a couple glasses of wine to having some imaginary past with her that extended beyond their professional one.
Did you consider showing the recovery of Bill Prady'™s corpse after Dana shoved it into the wall at CTU?
Yes, we did. But it was a scene we never got to. We figured it takes five hours for a body to decompose and by then, the season is over. That'™s what we told ourselves, anyway.
How come you didn'™t bring back Tony Almeida this season?
We tempted fate once with him, for sure. I seem to have gotten away with it, so we consider ourselves lucky and ahead of the game.
What about Alan Wilson, who masterminded the Sentox nerve gas conspiracy last year?
I think you got a sense that Renee broke him and broke the back of the conspiracy at a tremendous personal and professional price.
Did you ever consider bringing back Mandy, the professional assassin from seasons 1, 2 and 4?
Mandy always came up a bunch of times, but unfortunately, it felt like a sensational move. We chose not to go down that path.
Aaron Pierce?
We always considered bringing back Aaron Pierce. The story never presented itself. Other than Kiefer, he is the only one who has been in every season. Unfortunately, we couldn'™t give him a perfect run.
The pitch for the 24 movie was done before the series ender. Did you draft off the pitch?
The movie has to defer to the end of the TV show, not the other way around.
Will it be a prequel?
It definitely will not be a prequel.
What will your role be on the movie?
I'™ll be a producer on it. There is a draft that is in. No one is in a position right now to know when or what the movie will be, exactly. Now that the TV show is over, the movie will be it'™s own thing.
What are you most proud of this season?
I am proud of the whole season. Every year has become increasingly challenging to do and so getting through it gave me a tremendous feeling of accomplishment. I would say my favorite moment was the last moment. That was the moment I felt the most pressure. It'™s an exercise I go through at the end of every year: Who do you want to see, and then how do you figure out a story with the people you want to see? In this case '” of course '” it was Chloe, Taylor, and Jack.
If you had your druthers, do you wish Lost and 24 had ended a year apart, not around the same time?
All I can say is I hope we will be missed as much as Lost. I hope we will both be missed. It'™s good to be missed rather then sent out of town on a rail.
Re: 24: Series Finale
Here are more thoughts I've had on the finale.
First of all, so theres no confusion. There will be a movie. They've been talking about it since Season 3 or 4. Hell on the old fox.com/24 forum they had a whole section dedicated to it.
Secondly, there was one plot hole. Unless I misinterpreted a scene. When Logan took the data card into Taylor. She played it back, but it wasnt the card w/ the convo on it. The data card she had was the video Jack made at his shooting spot. I pictured the video he took being his goodbye to Kim. Why would he put the goodbye video on something that (if the evidence was on it) Kim would NEVER see? I wonder where data card w/ the evidence was?
I just assumed Chloe somehow held onto the real card and gave up the alternate card. I agree, that certainly seemed to be to Kim, though it certainly "spoke to" President Taylor.
And I realize the plan is certainly to do a movie, but as in any business, plans can change. So that's the only reason I say, if they indeed do end up doing a movie. For instance, if this season and finale was not well received, would that have led them to not do the movie due to lack of interest?
Re: 24: Series Finale
The biggest thing that will cause the movie plans to stall, are people moving on. Gordon gets a new TV show, Sutherland goes back to films, something along those lines. Remember there were plans for a Sopranos movie, two Deadwood movies, both cancelled. People just move on.
But Kiefer really wants to do it, and Fox really wants to have that brand name, so I think in this case, it will happen, and within the next two years at the latest. They want make the same mistake The X-Files did, and letting the show's relevancy die for six years, and come back to a bomb. They'll want to strike before the iron goes cold.
As for that card, it was a plothole. All I can assume is that Jack added his final thoughts onto the data card to explain what it was, how he got it, and why the events of that day went down. It was definitely for Kim. But being Taylor decided to break the news anyways, all relevancy of that card went out the window.
Re: 24: Series Finale
Right, but she was persuaded to break the news because of Jack's "speech" on the card she did receive. So was it just dumb luck that she got the wrong card? If she received the card with the Logan phone conversations that may not have moved her in the direction to tell the whole truth and/or do everything she could to save Jack. At least that's how it seemed to me.
