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Re: Axl fires back at Irv with lawsuit
faldor wrote:buzzsaw wrote:Actually, Axl released an album and sat in his house. You can't give him a pass on this one. One fact that is indisputable in all of this is that Axl himself did nothing to promote his album. Whether someone else failed to deliver on a promise is irrelevant. None of that stops Axl from doing his own work to promote it. Nothing other than Axl that is.
That is true, but it seems to me that it's painfully clear that Axl didn't want to do a single thing to help push this album and put any additional money in the pockets of Universal or Azoff because of the way he was treated and how things were handled.
I don't disagree that he got screwed if what he's saying happened indeed happened. However, it is not the smartest thing to destroy what little brand recognition you have left just to try to prove a point. This lawsuit should have come at least a year ago, not now. All the damage was done before the album was released, so why wait until now to go on the offensive and allow your one shot at proving you didn't need the other guys go to hell?
The COUNTER SUIT only came because Azoff filed suit against him. Axl would not have had any real reason to do anything had Irving left well enough alone and just walked away. Again, Axl is just defending himself against Azoff's suit...the two suits are one in the same.
"40. Within a month of his resignation, Azoff began demanding commissions for the Asia,
South America and Canada concert dates even though he botched the planning and many tour dates
were not confirmed until after Azoff resigned as a manager. Azoff is not owed any commissions for
those dates.
41. When Cross-Complainants would not acquiesce to his threats, Azoff filed a baseless
lawsuit seeking commissions that he never earned."
Axl has added all the other issues in as an effort to gain leverage in defending himself. I think these cases will eventually be dropped like the Slash/Duff suits. It is going to be hard to prove all these allegations on both sides. Oral contract? Ha ha...good luck.:haha:
Re: Axl fires back at Irv with lawsuit
Have to say, Axlin had this reunion angle pegged from the start and a lot of people here said he was wrong... Except me
misterID wrote:Have to say, Axlin had this reunion angle pegged from the start and a lot of people here said he was wrong... Except me
Yeah, a lot of people were saying that. Axlin was certainly one of the most vocal. I just didn't think Axl himself would go for a reunion and was hoping he could get that point across to Azoff. Apparently that didn't have a chance in hell of happening and things were crazier than we could've ever imagined.
I knew it was crazy to say at the time, but I just had a gut feeling about it. Azoff was the reunion king, and the JR Ewing of the music industry, which I think I made that analogy then too. I felt he was going to strong arm Axl into a reunion, by getting the entire industry to blacklist new Guns.
It was a wild idea, but something about it just felt right, and REEKED of an Azoff move.
Actually, I think those who said Axl would not do a reunion are the ones who had it pegged. He ain't, won't and shouldn't unless he wants to.
I think what they were referring to, was my and others belief that Azoff was going to try to break Axl. He would slam every door in the business in Axl's face, and get nobody to do business with new Guns.
As for Axl caving, your right, he didn't break.
Or
None of this happened, and Axl just read my posts and went "hey that sounds like a real elaborate defense, i'll go with that" 
Re: Axl fires back at Irv with lawsuit
"Or
None of this happened, and Axl just read my posts and went "hey that sounds like a real elaborate defense, i'll go with that""
tbh i would not be shocked if that was the truth.
Re: Axl fires back at Irv with lawsuit
Whew, I just got done reading that counter suit... Axl basically blamed Azoff for everything that's went wrong since 2008.
Axl also states that the streaming of CD on GNR's MySpace was not cleared by him, and feels that cost him money. Yet, almost every artist does it on the eve of an album's release.
Re: Axl fires back at Irv with lawsuit
a lot of old school big wigs in the industry do not approve of free streaming. I think it was a mistake with Chinese as well. In the end though, it would not have made a big difference in overall sales but it could have given them a larger first week number.
Re: Axl fires back at Irv with lawsuit
The whole album is still free to stream on myspace via Spinlet player.
Almost two years later...
Re: Axl fires back at Irv with lawsuit
Axl does make some good points on the entire merger anti-trust violations on the Tickemaster/Live Nation. However, I am still baffled as to why he didn't can Azoff earlier if he was this unhappy following the GH Activision or any of the stuff following Chinese Democracy. If he was that miserable, he should have just had hired new management instead.
The lack of video content shouldn't be blamed on Azoff either (ie the Better video) as I'm pretty sure putting together a bunch of live clips don't cost that much.
I think that while he does have some valid complaints, Azoff is also a convient guy for Axl to blame some of his troubles on.
Re: Axl fires back at Irv with lawsuit
Whew, I just got done reading that counter suit... Axl basically blamed Azoff for everything that's went wrong since 2008.
Axl also states that the streaming of CD on GNR's MySpace was not cleared by him, and feels that cost him money. Yet, almost every artist does it on the eve of an album's release.
Not every album takes 10+ years to make though and is billed as "the most anticipated album of all time". If it was indeed that, why stream it for free?
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Re: Axl fires back at Irv with lawsuit
Axlin08 wrote:Whew, I just got done reading that counter suit... Axl basically blamed Azoff for everything that's went wrong since 2008.
Axl also states that the streaming of CD on GNR's MySpace was not cleared by him, and feels that cost him money. Yet, almost every artist does it on the eve of an album's release.
Not every album takes 10+ years to make though and is billed as "the most anticipated album of all time". If it was indeed that, why stream it for free?
I agree, streaming it did lead to less sales because most people where so turned off by it that they never gave it another chance. The silver lining is that maybe it kept a lot of people from getting really pissed off and saved them money. Most bands do stream their music and most of the time it leads to more sales, but I do think it did in this case.
Re: Axl fires back at Irv with lawsuit
What difference does it make? Axl was playing 4 songs off of it live, 7 years before it was released, and another 3 songs two years before it was released, and those live cuts were scattered everywhere throughtout the net.
Not to mention, for years internet geeks were putting together demo leaks w/ Oh My God and live songs, and calling it Chinese Democracy and throwing it up on torrents.
If anything, THAT is what cost them sales. This was before Azoff was even in the picture. That streaming on MySpace was practically redundant, considering the fact that I could go to YouTube or imeem and do the same exact thing.
