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Re: Best Slash Moments out side of GNR (post 1991)
buzzsaw wrote:monkeychow wrote:Yes but likewise Slash's guitar parts in GNR should be judged against his GUITAR outside of GNR too. No point holding Slash accountable when the singer on a track lowers the standard of the song, just as it wouldn't be right to praise slash for instances where Axl kicks ass on a track.
That's it in a nutshell. Slash isn't the problem, and anyone that thinks his playing has gotten worse probably doesn't play guitar or understand guitar. That isn't meant to be an insult, I just can't understand how anybody that appreciates quality guitar work could say Slash has gotten worse than he was when he was drunk/stoned all the time. Some of those videos from the show at the Roxy are pretty impressive technically, and that was live, not in a studio.
Usually your posts are pretty good, but this one fails. Now you are trying to tack on some sort of objective truth behind your opinion of Slash's playing while trying to throw out those of us who don't agree by saying we must not understand guitar?
You don't exactly have to be a singer to understand Miley Cyrus doesn't have that good of a voice.
Or that Chris Cornell can melt the paint off walls.
It's all subjective. I can listen to his work in GNR, and his live playing as well, and it moves me.
Very few of his material moves me in that way. There are some instances where it has a lot to do with the vocalist.
Anybody can sing (though some better than others). Not anybody can play guitar. If you don't play guiter, you don't understand the nuances of the music. Go listen to the videos posted for the Roxy show. The guitar is pretty close to spot on in every video. If you can't hear that, it is clear that there is a disconnect with you. Maybe it's not because you don't understand guitar, but you're not hearing what is being played for whatever reason. There is nothing wrong with the playing.
Re: Best Slash Moments out side of GNR (post 1991)
I just don't understand those who think Slash's post-GN'R work sucks. What did you like in GN'R? Only Axl's voice and the piano?
Cause those legendary solos are all there on Slash's albums, sometimes even topped. The guitars are there, the energy is there, all that was vital in GN'R. I'm not saying Slash was GN'R, cause 4 (or 5) guys were the band, but you can hear all those unmistakable characteristics that were major parts of the classic band's music.
Most people listen to music because of the singer or the lyrics. That is why they think Axl is GnR.
Anybody that really appreciates music knows better. Axl was important, but not any more than Slash, Izzy, and Duff.
Re: Best Slash Moments out side of GNR (post 1991)
Neither Can I
Always on the Run
Beggars and Hangers-On
Vocalise
Shine
Good To Be Alive
Back and Forth Again
Watch This
Serial Killer
Messages (with different vocals)
Be The Ball
Slither
YGNR
Ain't Life Grand?
ObsessionBonus:
Obsession ConfessionThis would be the best album EVER and there is still enough Slash material for the second best album.
(I haven't heard the solo yet, except a few songs.)
probably the most INSANELY DELUSIONAL comment ever on this board...you can't be serious? Best album ever?
Re: Best Slash Moments out side of GNR (post 1991)
Mikkamakka wrote:I just don't understand those who think Slash's post-GN'R work sucks. What did you like in GN'R? Only Axl's voice and the piano?
Cause those legendary solos are all there on Slash's albums, sometimes even topped. The guitars are there, the energy is there, all that was vital in GN'R. I'm not saying Slash was GN'R, cause 4 (or 5) guys were the band, but you can hear all those unmistakable characteristics that were major parts of the classic band's music.Most people listen to music because of the singer or the lyrics. That is why they think Axl is GnR.
Anybody that really appreciates music knows better. Axl was important, but not any more than Slash, Izzy, and Duff.
I don't think his work sucks, and being a fan of instrumental music probably puts me on the fringe of this discussion, but I don't like Dover's voice, I hate the way Weiland delivers most of his lines, and I really detest some of the singers on Slash.
So, yes, I agree, Slash has some great solos post-GNR, although I don't think anything tops November Rain or SCOM to name a couple. Especially this new CD, some great tones, solos, very warm and full playing, the word robust comes to mind when I think of some of the tunes. But, it's some of the arrangements of the songs, the lyrics, the overall "feel" that doesn't connect with me.
Like on Saint is a Sinner Too. You guys have raved about it, but it's like an unfulfilled journey. It plods along and never reaches a satisfying climax like say, Estranged.
Take TWAT for example. Universally praised here, particularly that Bucket solo. I enjoy the Bucket solo, but I really am not fond of the sound on the verses and how the song doesn't have a traditional churus. Therefore, I rarely listen to it, even if the solo is superb.
I apply the same standard to Slash's work. Yes, his singers have not clicked with me, but there have been few well-written song on the whole that grab me. Set Me Free, Be the Ball, Soma City Ward, Vocalise, Obsession Confession, Watch This and By The Sword are probably my faves of the post-GNR era by Slash.
I don't know, if that labels me a hater or someone who doesn't know guitar, well I guess I am. All I know is what my ears and heart tell when I listen to music. I could care less about the technical aspects of guitar playing or any other instrument for that matter. If it moves me, I like it. If it doesn't, you've failed to connect with me.
Slash, and Duff and Izzy and Axl, too, have mostly failed to connect with me since GNR's heyday. I think we all know the reason why. The sum is greater than the parts. Period.
Slash solo is just a part of something I once loved. He's mostly not found the parts to capitalize on his talents.
Frankly, that's why he should just do an instrumental album. Vocalise, Watch This and Obsession are probably the Slash songs that get the most praise here. Connect the dots.
- Mikkamakka
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Re: Best Slash Moments out side of GNR (post 1991)
Mikkamakka wrote:Neither Can I
Always on the Run
Beggars and Hangers-On
Vocalise
Shine
Good To Be Alive
Back and Forth Again
Watch This
Serial Killer
Messages (with different vocals
Be The Ball
Slither
YGNR
Ain't Life Grand?
ObsessionBonus:
Obsession ConfessionThis would be the best album EVER and there is still enough Slash material for the second best album.
(I haven't heard the solo yet, except a few songs.)
probably the most INSANELY DELUSIONAL comment ever on this board...you can't be serious? Best album ever?
Yes, it is my opinion. These are all awesome songs. If others have the right to tell that CD is the best album ever, than I have the right to tell what I think, too. Probably James could come up with a 14-song best of Buckethead that, he thinks, cannot be topped. Would you say that he's insanely delusional? Would you be INSANELY DELUSIONAL if you list a 14-song best of Bob Dylan and hail it? We all have favourites, and mine is Slash, bseides Tori Amos, and I could make a best of Tori that would be better than AFD or anything else for me. I find it quite strange that I have apologize for a 'Slashite' opinion on a Guns N' Roses message board. Now, this is INSANELY RIDUCUOLOUS.
Re: Best Slash Moments out side of GNR (post 1991)
Neither Can I - Slash's Snakepit (It's 5 O'Clock Somewhere)
Beggars and hangers On - Slash's Snakepit (It's 5 O'Clock Somewhere)
What Do You Wanna Be - Slash's Snakepit (It's 5 O'Clock Somewhere)
Fall To Peices - Velvet Revolver (Contraband)
Slither - Velvet Revolver (Contraband)
Dirty Little Thing - Velvet Revolver (Contraband)
Let It Roll - Velvet Revolver (Libertad)
Last Fight - Velvet Revolver (Libertad)
Grave Dancer - Velvet Revolver (Libertad)
Beleive in Me - Duff McKagan (Believe in Me)
Cure Me Or Kill Me - Gilby Clarke (Pawnshop Guitars)
Tijuana Jail - Gilby Clarke (Pawnshop Guitars)
By The Sword - Slash w/ Andrew Stockdale
I Hold On - Slash w/ Kid Rock
- Mikkamakka
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Re: Best Slash Moments out side of GNR (post 1991)
I think it's more the best album ever part. Is it a great compilation. Yeah! But "best album ever" really?
Really. For me. In my opinion. As I said all of us has favourites and could probably make a "best album EVER" compliation of their work. It's not a Suicide Girls Best Of as the best album ever to get such harsh reactions.
