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Re: Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck
I listen to appetite almost every single day... The only think I relate to is I know when i play that CD, it was full of a bunch of badasses that were going rock my face off. The angst in Axl's voice, the twin guitars, the epic solos, its a timeless fantastic album and when I am down and Nighttrain comes on, it makes my fucking day!
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I think I finally answered my own long ago question about why I no longer listen to AFD and haven't in years even though I consider it the greatest album ever made.
I simply cannot relate to it anymore. It was a very special record to me and the soundtrack of my teen years. Those days are long gone.
Amen. I haven't even hit my 30-40's and i'm already feeling that slow seperation from that outlook, that mindset.
Innocence lost
Every so often i'll obviously crank out Jungle, PC, SCOM... for old time's sake. But as musically brilliant as AFD is, the record that I found comfort in, is dead. What seemed like the right moves, were wrong. What seemed like the future, was not. Those who we held dear, didn't return the feeling. The world as I knew it, was totally different.
Sunshine, fun, and all the things in-between are dead. Where i'm from is not the same place anymore.
And like with all things, you change with it, or it leaves you behind.
At this point in my life, I can relate to Chinese Democracy FAR more than Appetite.
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Like the old saying goes.....
You cant go home again....
Not just due to the passage of time, but also due to the fact that the home you long for and envision never really existed in the first place. Selective memory isn't home.
*puts gun to head and pulls the trigger*
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I can relate to outtro of Rocket Queen... That is timeless..
Re: Slash V Axl V Izzy V Whoeverthe fuck
Like the old saying goes.....
You cant go home again....
Not just due to the passage of time, but also due to the fact that the home you long for and envision never really existed in the first place. Selective memory isn't home.
*puts gun to head and pulls the trigger*
Damn...
Jerry Cantrell - Gone
All dreams have died along the way
I coughed up the price, I bought a cage
I've had a hell of a time since I went away
Don't know when I died or where to lay down
Gone, gone away
Yeah, gone, gone away
God knows I've tried, I'm dyed in pain
Strong yet simple drive, the freedom to say
I've had a hell of a time since I went away
Homing on traces of light, that distance fades
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Kudos for bringing up such a wonderful Jerry solo song. I love that song, it struck me from the first time I heard it. It's a wonderful song about leaving and realizing that you really had nowhere to go in the first place and all those dreams and rosy pictures you held in your mind will never come to pass.
Due to the fact that I've never really felt like I've had a home, my world isn't seen through rose colored glasses.
I've never really thought of it, but AFD, while an amazing record, is also a very shallow record. Everything you need to know about their outlook at the time can be seen in the outro to Rocket Queen. It's optimistic and cheery. The rest of the album is much the same as the beginning to the video for Welcome to the Jungle where this farm boy steps off the bus and sees that girl. The world is viewed through the eyes of the innocent.
That's what attracts me to Cornell's work so much. The world isn't viewed through innocence. The innocence is lost and the world is seen as a scary place, but one that is also inevitable. No amount of optimism is going to change this fate.
That's what I like about Depredation Trip, that album has the same sense of lost innocence.
I hate to say it, but with Chinese Democracy even, it seems like there's still a lot of innocence attached there.
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Not sure I would go as far as saying Chinese Democracy has its innocence intact, but it does stick to very basic themes of a lover scorned and a friend betrayed.
I know in the chats he said that the album was not filled with Stephanie Seymour ballads and the so called "Slash songs" not really about Slash, and maybe he is right. However, he treads that exact same ground over and over, and certainly the two are symbolic for where he vents his frustration.
Obviously the guy has dated women since that breakup with Seymour. Its not like he's been sitting in a basement alone since that relationship ended. He's also had close friendships come to an end that weren't named Slash.
In his mind(and also the listener, maybe even more so), the two themes paint a picture of those high profile figures. They cast a very long shadow over the record for obvious reasons. He has ranted against Slash for years, and while I am not gonna go digging for the quote, years ago he stated he wanted Stephanie's son to listen to the record so he could "understand".
1 + 1 clearly = 2 here.
Unfortunately for the listener(or fortunately depending on how you look at it), we covered this same territory on the UYI discs, except that time it was Erin Everly and faceless enemies(GITR the exception) keeping him down.
Obviously there is a pattern there and it may not change. Honestly he probably deserves a bit of slack in that regard as most of this album was finished ten years ago. He may not be in the same place now as he was all those years ago, and if so, that's what I hope to see/hear. I don't need Use Your Illusion IV with another rotating cast. If that's what is "on tap" in the next year or two, I can probably live without it. Now I'll certainly buy it as I'll always support him if/when he releases something, but I would like a bit more introspection. I also know that what I would like and what I may get are probably two different things.
For all the talent the guy has, I think he sells himself short as an artist. He left pop culture at the peak of his fame and didn't resurface until the next century when the world(and pop culture itself) was a completely different place.
A cloud of mystery hangs over his life. This guy was not Baz, Winger,etc. and forced out. He walked away on his own terms.
There's gotta be more there, and if he's unable to put that to paper, it's a damn shame.
Could it be the way I've carried on
Like a broken record for so long
And I do
At least he admits it.... 
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Where did that "west coast struttin', one bad mother" go? What happened to him? Doesn't he have stories to tell like Cornell? Lessons that might be learned? Did the harsh realities of life never set in? That "one bad mother" is 48.
When all is said and done, were not the only ones who look at life this way, thats what the old folks say. But every time I'd see them makes me wish I had a gun. If I thought that I was crazy then I guess I'd have more fun. What used to be is not there for me, Im off to find someone. That belongs insane. Like I Do.
The Harsh realities set in. He realised he couldn't stay young "bad mother" forever, though he had tried for years denying the insanity of his dreams of eternal youth, until he wound up old, and alone, and all he wants is to find another as troubled as himself.
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I see your point, but it's not really a good example as he isn't really referring to himself in the song. For years the fans knew what he was referring to(the book, possibly a tribute to Lennon,etc.) and he pretty much confirmed this in the chats(I think he disregarded the Lennon thing though).
Either way, its an amazing tune lyrically. One of his high points, and thought so the first time I heard the demo.
Long before he ever commented on it, I took it as a first person perspective from Chapman's point of view, but obviously that wasn't the case.
You're right though, it's a more mature perspective either way we slice it.
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I see your point, but it's not really a good example as he isn't really referring to himself in the song. For years the fans knew what he was referring to(the book, possibly a tribute to Lennon,etc.) and he pretty much confirmed this in the chats(I think he disregarded the Lennon thing though).
Either way, its an amazing tune lyrically. One of his high points, and thought so the first time I heard the demo.
Long before he ever commented on it, I took it as a first person perspective from Chapman's point of view, but obviously that wasn't the case.
You're right though, it's a more mature perspective either way we slice it.
Axl Lyrics on Democracy are head and shoulders above Appetite. Also he had some high points on UYI like the outro to coma which is just fukin amazing
