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Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
tejastech08 wrote:Axlin08 wrote:Nolan presenting Batman as his own trilogy, could be among the best trilogies in history. Up there with the original Star Wars, or Back To The Future.
I'm glad to see that they want to be the first "on film", to provide a conclusion to the Batman saga. In the past, all the directors previously have left their films wide open with Batman protecting the city.
What I would love is a Nolan-ized Mr. Freeze to be the main villian, that incorporates elements of Paul Dini's Heart of Ice from TAS. To tell the story in a dark, cold, wintery Gotham with a burnout, and criminalized Batman. Freeze causes Batman to confront his own past with duality and hope as Freeze would not be an outright villian, but have similar feelings of loss.
You could also throw Talia Al Ghul in there as a love interest, that could tie back into Begins.
Nolan did an interview recently with the L.A. Times and said Mr. Freeze is definitely NOT in Batman 3. I love the Animated Series version of the character but Arnold/Schumacher ruined it, even more than they ruined Two-Face. I'm glad Nolan isn't bothering an attempt at fixing the Schumacher screwup.
As for ending the series, I suspect it will simply be Batman finally accepting that he will be Batman forever whether he likes it or not. In Batman Begins he is very naive. In The Dark Knight, he begins to realize how naive he really was. The Joker opens his eyes to the fact that there will always be a need for Batman in Gotham. The thing that needs to happen in Batman 3 is he needs to get Wayne Manor and the Batcave back, he needs to get his reputation back with the police department, and he needs to finally accept who he will be the rest of his life.
He needs to Die. If they are really are going to embrace "real life" batman has to die. Simple as that. Any other ending at this point is a sell out.
His legacy can be the thought that one single person can do much good. But he has to die.
Every hero has to die eventually. Hell, even God is dead.
That'd be ballsy as hell, but they need to do it in a manner that it's left kind of to the imagination of the viewer.
Batman still has to remain a myth. To put fear in the minds of criminals, and safety into the hearts of the citizens. That maybe he's still out there... lurking.
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Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
Nolan's Batman has alot in common with Batman: Year One.
It's not quite that simple. The Killing Joke was a huge influence on Ledger's Joker. The Long Halloween was a huge influence on TDK in many ways. Batman Begins was definitely influenced heavily by Batman: Year One, but it was also heavily influenced by the work of Denny O'Neil, such as The Man Who Falls (which was itself influenced by Year One).
Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
Robin Williams has been discussing his desire to appear in a Batman movie, stating that he'd play anything from The Riddler to an Arkham Asylum inmate in Batman 3.
Speaking to Empire Magazine about his work with director Christopher Nolan on Insomnia, Williams says "I would work with Chris again in a second, playing anyone in anything. I'd play The Riddler in the next Batman, although it would be hard to top Heath [Ledger] as the villain, and I'm a little hairy for tights."
Williams even applies additional pressure by stating "I'm using this article as an ad. Chris, call me, I'll do anything. I could be a great character - or some weird little man in the background in Arkham Asylum."
The actor also spilled the beans regarding his chequered past with the franchise. "The Batman films have screwed me twice before" he explains. "Years ago they offered me The Joker and then gave it to Jack Nicholson, then they offered me The Riddler and gave it to Jim Carrey. I'd be like 'OK, is this a real offer? If it is, then the answer's yes. Don't pump me again, motherf**kers'."
It's been a while since Williams has done scary on screen, but if he reigns it in and delivers the same kind of creepy that won him so many plaudits in Nolan's Insomnia, he could be just the man for the Riddler role.
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As long as he kept it dark and not comedy I could see williams working because of his ability to ramble on manicly.
Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
That Williams interview is funny shit.
And the real party responsible for sending Batman into Camp world was Akiva Goldsman, screenwriter. The man who has almost single handedly destroyed every cool script out there: I, Robot, I Am Legend, Batman Forever...
The originial scripts were much darker, brooding and fantastic, and Akiva rewrote them with crayola crayons.
THERE WERE NO OTHER SURVIVORS IN I AM LEGEND. HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER TURNED INTO VAMPIRES AND HE KILLED THEM! AND HE DID CURE THE FEMALE VAMPIRE AND THERE WAS A ROMANTIC ANGLE TO THEIR RELATIONSHIP, WHILE SHE WAS A MUTANT VAMPIRE! AND THE HEAD VAMPIRE WAS AN EVIL MOTHERFUCKER, NOT A LOVE LORN ASSHOLE!!! AND I, ROBOT HAD NO FRIGGIN COMEDY IN IT!!! AND YES, THE MAIN CHARACTER FOUND OUT THAT HE WAS ACTUALLY A ROBOT!!!
Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
As long as he kept it dark and not comedy I could see williams working because of his ability to ramble on manicly.
Something tells me Nolan's Riddler, if it happens, will be a complete reconstruct of a character, much akin to The Joker.
Robin Williams keeps thinking the Frank Gorshin Riddler, which was what Carrey's was based on.
I don't think that happens this time. A new Riddler would probably be like a Zodiac killer of sorts.
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Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2010/10/ … e-riddler/
Christopher Nolan’s third Batman film will be called “The Dark Knight Rises” and though the Gotham City auteur isn’t ready to reveal the villain of his 2012 film, he did eliminate one of the big contenders: “It won’t be the Riddler,” Nolan said in an exclusive interview with Hero Complex.
Nolan was most eager to talk about the fact that Warner Bros. had agreed with his argument that the film should resist the current 3-D craze and instead use high-definition approaches and IMAX cameras to strike out on a different cinematic path than the stereoscopic technology that, for better or worse, has become the dominant conversation in the blockbuster sector.
Check back here later in the morning for a more in-depth look at that decision and the Nolan ambitions and reasons behind it.
As for the title, it shows the writer-director’s intention to keep his Bruce Wayne trilogy tightly stitched together. “We’ll use many of the same characters as we have all along, and we’ll be introducing some new ones,” Nolan said cryptically. I had an odd thought: What if Nolan somehow brings back Harvey Dent? The only reason I even mention it is because, back during post-production on the second film, Nolan told me that the title “The Dark Knight” was just as much about Dent and his fall from the status of shining-knight civic crusader. Dent was plainly dead at the end of the last film, though, and Nolan has been intent on keeping his Gotham City film firmly rooted in a gritty gangland realism– this isn’t a franchise that has veered off into the supernatural or even much super-science.
Nolan plays things close to the vest — he’s one of the few filmmakers of his generation who actually does wear a vest — and he chuckled when I tried to get a few more details out of him. “Oh, you know me, I don’t talk.” He began our conversation by comparing it with a visit to the dentist’s office. Well, if so, he’s a patient who never opens wide. I asked if he could imagine a time when Warner Bros. would let a filmmaker shoot a Batman script where the villain isn’t one of the signature creations from the comic books. “Ah, Geoff Boucher, master of the leading question,” he said with a chuckle.
That’s when he did agree, however, to eliminate a villain candidate, namely Edward Nigma, the green-suited Riddler, who many people (myself included) assumed was the next natural choice. That character could be taken in a lot of directions — think of Kevin Spacey’s character in “Seven” as a compass point for one of those dark paths — but Nolan and his team are going a different way. As with “Dark Knight,” the new film has a script written by Nolan and his brother, Jonah, and it’s based on a story by the director and David Goyer. Earlier, I got Nolan to take Mr. Freeze off the list and, yes, this is like pulling teeth but don’t think for a minute that I mind. Nolan makes sublime films, and any secrets he wants to keep in place are done so to protect the final product. As for me, I’m hoping now for Hugo Strange who, come to think of it, looks a bit like a dentist…
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Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
Shame I would have liked to see Riddler...as he is a pretty iconic character. Be interesting to see if he can hit gold again. I dunno tho - Dark Night has to be one of the best movies ever, at least to a batman fan as a kid like me, it's just so spot on to all the dynamics.
Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
No Riddler... No Freeze.... what's the point?
I kid I kid. I did have this fanboy dream of seeing Johnny Depp as The Riddler and Peter Weller, my personal choice, as Mr. Freeze. I really thought Freeze could be redone in the Nolanverse, be dramatic, and NOT be campy.
