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Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
Nolan presenting Batman as his own trilogy, could be among the best trilogies in history. Up there with the original Star Wars, or Back To The Future.
I'm glad to see that they want to be the first "on film", to provide a conclusion to the Batman saga. In the past, all the directors previously have left their films wide open with Batman protecting the city.
What I would love is a Nolan-ized Mr. Freeze to be the main villian, that incorporates elements of Paul Dini's Heart of Ice from TAS. To tell the story in a dark, cold, wintery Gotham with a burnout, and criminalized Batman. Freeze causes Batman to confront his own past with duality and hope as Freeze would not be an outright villian, but have similar feelings of loss.
You could also throw Talia Al Ghul in there as a love interest, that could tie back into Begins.
Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
This is fucking cool. I'm all for Nolan doing any super hero movie if he takes it serious the way he took Batman. I'd love to see him do a proper Spider-Man as well. His Batman movies are the only Batman movies in my opinion. I never cared for them untill he did Batman Begins. The classic Superman trilogy is pretty fun but I'd love to see a more serious side to it. the most recent Superman Returns was so lame. I mean I look at batman begins and The Dark Knight and see how great they were and then it just pisses me off how guys like Michael Bay take things like Transformers which had so much potential to be epic and then turn them into complete and utter garbage.
I also think it's time for a serious Masters of the Universe reboot haha!
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Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
Nolan presenting Batman as his own trilogy, could be among the best trilogies in history. Up there with the original Star Wars, or Back To The Future.
I'm glad to see that they want to be the first "on film", to provide a conclusion to the Batman saga. In the past, all the directors previously have left their films wide open with Batman protecting the city.
What I would love is a Nolan-ized Mr. Freeze to be the main villian, that incorporates elements of Paul Dini's Heart of Ice from TAS. To tell the story in a dark, cold, wintery Gotham with a burnout, and criminalized Batman. Freeze causes Batman to confront his own past with duality and hope as Freeze would not be an outright villian, but have similar feelings of loss.
You could also throw Talia Al Ghul in there as a love interest, that could tie back into Begins.
Nolan did an interview recently with the L.A. Times and said Mr. Freeze is definitely NOT in Batman 3. I love the Animated Series version of the character but Arnold/Schumacher ruined it, even more than they ruined Two-Face. I'm glad Nolan isn't bothering an attempt at fixing the Schumacher screwup.
As for ending the series, I suspect it will simply be Batman finally accepting that he will be Batman forever whether he likes it or not. In Batman Begins he is very naive. In The Dark Knight, he begins to realize how naive he really was. The Joker opens his eyes to the fact that there will always be a need for Batman in Gotham. The thing that needs to happen in Batman 3 is he needs to get Wayne Manor and the Batcave back, he needs to get his reputation back with the police department, and he needs to finally accept who he will be the rest of his life.
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Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
This is fucking cool. I'm all for Nolan doing any super hero movie if he takes it serious the way he took Batman. I'd love to see him do a proper Spider-Man as well. His Batman movies are the only Batman movies in my opinion. I never cared for them untill he did Batman Begins. The classic Superman trilogy is pretty fun but I'd love to see a more serious side to it. the most recent Superman Returns was so lame. I mean I look at batman begins and The Dark Knight and see how great they were and then it just pisses me off how guys like Michael Bay take things like Transformers which had so much potential to be epic and then turn them into complete and utter garbage.
I also think it's time for a serious Masters of the Universe reboot haha!
The first two Spider-Man films are proper Spidey films. Nolan doesn't need to get involved with that franchise. And I'd also say the first Transformers movie is the perfect fit for Michael Bay. I mean, come one, Transformers might be fun but it isn't that deep. It comes down to big awesome robots fighting each other.
I agree that before Nolan, the Batman franchise (all 5 live action films) was a joke and not much related to the comics, although you could argue that Adam West's Batman isn't too far off from a certain era of Batman comics. certainly Burton and Schumacher didn't give a shit about source material.
I just don't like Superman as a character - that said, if previews end up looking good I might check it out.
Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
Axlin08 wrote:Nolan presenting Batman as his own trilogy, could be among the best trilogies in history. Up there with the original Star Wars, or Back To The Future.
I'm glad to see that they want to be the first "on film", to provide a conclusion to the Batman saga. In the past, all the directors previously have left their films wide open with Batman protecting the city.
What I would love is a Nolan-ized Mr. Freeze to be the main villian, that incorporates elements of Paul Dini's Heart of Ice from TAS. To tell the story in a dark, cold, wintery Gotham with a burnout, and criminalized Batman. Freeze causes Batman to confront his own past with duality and hope as Freeze would not be an outright villian, but have similar feelings of loss.
You could also throw Talia Al Ghul in there as a love interest, that could tie back into Begins.
Nolan did an interview recently with the L.A. Times and said Mr. Freeze is definitely NOT in Batman 3. I love the Animated Series version of the character but Arnold/Schumacher ruined it, even more than they ruined Two-Face. I'm glad Nolan isn't bothering an attempt at fixing the Schumacher screwup.
I will always blame the disaster that was Mr. Freeze in Batman & Robin, solely at the feet of Joel Schumacher, not Arnold.
Arnold's material was far too much schtick.
But in those dark moments, there was a very well done representation of Fries that he provided. Like when he was watching the video of him and his wife getting married. Or when he visited her body. Or the end of the film with Batman when he was dying.
If those moments would've been ALL of Batman & Robin, or Arnold in any Batman film as Freeze... it would've been solid as ice.
Arnold takes WAY too much shit for that character when he played it how he was ordered too.
I think John Glover was the one who said, everytime someone would try to get serious on the film, Joel would be there yelling through a megaphone "remember this is a CARTOON". It's hard to get dramatic with that kind of direction.
I'd take Arnold again as Freeze, if he played it dark ala TAS.
Bono wrote:This is fucking cool. I'm all for Nolan doing any super hero movie if he takes it serious the way he took Batman. I'd love to see him do a proper Spider-Man as well. His Batman movies are the only Batman movies in my opinion. I never cared for them untill he did Batman Begins. The classic Superman trilogy is pretty fun but I'd love to see a more serious side to it. the most recent Superman Returns was so lame. I mean I look at batman begins and The Dark Knight and see how great they were and then it just pisses me off how guys like Michael Bay take things like Transformers which had so much potential to be epic and then turn them into complete and utter garbage.
I also think it's time for a serious Masters of the Universe reboot haha!
The first two Spider-Man films are proper Spidey films. Nolan doesn't need to get involved with that franchise. And I'd also say the first Transformers movie is the perfect fit for Michael Bay. I mean, come one, Transformers might be fun but it isn't that deep. It comes down to big awesome robots fighting each other.
I agree that before Nolan, the Batman franchise (all 5 live action films) was a joke and not much related to the comics, although you could argue that Adam West's Batman isn't too far off from a certain era of Batman comics. certainly Burton and Schumacher didn't give a shit about source material.
I just don't like Superman as a character - that said, if previews end up looking good I might check it out.
Umm, yes and no. I disagree about Burton & Schumacher not giving a shit about the comics. They definitely "made it their own" (so did Nolan!), but Burton & Schumacher grabbed alot of stuff from the comics.
When I watch Batman '89, there's alot of that very early-era 40's Batman in there. Just before Robin is introduced. Batman Returns is kind of a Burton film with Batman, although alot of the present comics in the early-90's, incorporated that very dark, much more adult-oriented Batman at the time.
Batman Forever is a strange ride. It's definitely Schumacher's Gotham, but the origin stories seem to pay homage to the comics. In other words, Bruce Wayne is more traditional Bruce Wayne than either Burton or Nolan. Two Face becomes Two Face like he did in the comics. Robin becomes Robin like he did in the comics, although it doesn't seem to nail down a time period. Some people say 50's Batman... eh, I just don't see it.
Batman & Robin CERTAINTLY pay homage to the past. Batman & Robin is straight up, no holds barred - "60s Batman". Batmania revisted. The comics were campy like that in that time period, and the 60's TV series is legendary.
Nolan's Batman has alot in common with Batman: Year One.
Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
This is excellent news. I don't care much for Superman, but I'm all over a 3rd Bat-flick from Nolan
If they played superman as some kind of crazy man who believes he is from another planet and believes he has super powers, it could be amazing especially set back in the 30s. Of course in reality he would be totally delusional, but it could work. It would have to be very dark and shot like 21 grams
Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
Axlin08 wrote:Nolan presenting Batman as his own trilogy, could be among the best trilogies in history. Up there with the original Star Wars, or Back To The Future.
I'm glad to see that they want to be the first "on film", to provide a conclusion to the Batman saga. In the past, all the directors previously have left their films wide open with Batman protecting the city.
What I would love is a Nolan-ized Mr. Freeze to be the main villian, that incorporates elements of Paul Dini's Heart of Ice from TAS. To tell the story in a dark, cold, wintery Gotham with a burnout, and criminalized Batman. Freeze causes Batman to confront his own past with duality and hope as Freeze would not be an outright villian, but have similar feelings of loss.
You could also throw Talia Al Ghul in there as a love interest, that could tie back into Begins.
Nolan did an interview recently with the L.A. Times and said Mr. Freeze is definitely NOT in Batman 3. I love the Animated Series version of the character but Arnold/Schumacher ruined it, even more than they ruined Two-Face. I'm glad Nolan isn't bothering an attempt at fixing the Schumacher screwup.
As for ending the series, I suspect it will simply be Batman finally accepting that he will be Batman forever whether he likes it or not. In Batman Begins he is very naive. In The Dark Knight, he begins to realize how naive he really was. The Joker opens his eyes to the fact that there will always be a need for Batman in Gotham. The thing that needs to happen in Batman 3 is he needs to get Wayne Manor and the Batcave back, he needs to get his reputation back with the police department, and he needs to finally accept who he will be the rest of his life.
He needs to Die. If they are really are going to embrace "real life" batman has to die. Simple as that. Any other ending at this point is a sell out.
His legacy can be the thought that one single person can do much good. But he has to die.
Every hero has to die eventually. Hell, even God is dead.
Re: Nolan Talks 'Superman' and 'Batman 3'
The first two Spider-Man films are proper Spidey films. Nolan doesn't need to get involved with that franchise. And I'd also say the first Transformers movie is the perfect fit for Michael Bay. I mean, come one, Transformers might be fun but it isn't that deep. It comes down to big awesome robots fighting each other.
I agree that before Nolan, the Batman franchise (all 5 live action films) was a joke and not much related to the comics, although you could argue that Adam West's Batman isn't too far off from a certain era of Batman comics. certainly Burton and Schumacher didn't give a shit about source material.
I just don't like Superman as a character - that said, if previews end up looking good I might check it out.
the Spider-Man movies are shit in my opinion. Campy, made for kids with terrible supporting actors. Tobby was good as Peter Parker though. And no offence but people who can't see the potential that Transformers had to be epic and classic simply didn't really give a shit about Tarnsformers, never grew up with them the way some did in the 80's and probably like stupid explosion movies to begin with so..... alot of old school Transformers fans hated the fucking movies and I'm one of them. they blew a major opportunity to create something great. Let's face it Batman isn't that deep either. he's a dude man in a bat suite fighting crime. He's deep cause people who helped in his evolvment over the years took it seriously and made it that way. You can't tell me behind all the garbage that Michael Bay put into Transformers that there's not a kickass story with substance just waiting for the right person to expose it. I mean seriously Transformers is shit.
And before anyone gets bent outta shape I understand super heros and such are made for kids but let's not confuse actual movies with cartoons. There's more to Spider-Man than what we got in the movies and there sure as hell could've been more to Tansformesr than Megan's tits and ass and some explosions.
