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Re: The 2009 NFL Season Thread
that's randy moss for ya
Yeah, I've gotta say I was ALL for the trade and that record breaking 2007 season was special right up until the Super Bowl loss. And not that I'm down on Randy now or think it was a mistake but I don't like the overall direction the Patriots have gone in since that deal was made. Their defense has been on the decline ever since their last Super Bowl win and they're at the point now where they're all offense or bust. And the offense isn't quite as good as it was 2 seasons back, nor is the defense, hence the 7-5 record as opposed to 12-0. They need to get back to the basics and get an impact pass rusher and dedicate themselves to running the ball a little more. They're built like the Colts BEFORE they figured it out, got an athletic and competitive defense. They don't need a GREAT defense, but they could at least use an above average defense that they could count on to make a few plays. The defense held up as long as they could yesterday while the offense just couldn't get the extra points to put the Dolphins away. They asked the defense to step up one too many times. Just a recipe for disaster. The lack of a pass rush is just shockingly awful, which makes a suspect secondary look even worse than it actually is.
On the bright side, they host Carolina next Sunday.
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War, I think you're asking a little too much from the Vikes. Bad games happen, and the Cardinals are the defending NFC Champions so it's not like Minnesota should've rolled over them. That was going to be a rough game, the loss isn't a huge shock.
I will agree that their weaknesses are showing through a bit, but this one loss isn't cause for any panic.
Saints with home field advantage is a scary thought, but you have to be able to win on the road in this league (looking at you, Patriots).
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all i am asking for is a contest.
the vikes did not come to play and that sucks for several reasons:
in order of importance -
1- the game was on national television and they gave an embarrasing performance.
2 - in losing, they pretty much waived bye bye to home field advantage if they make it to the nfc championship game and, that is an important advantage.
3 - they had several injuries in this loss to key players, none more important than EJ henderson who may never play again. obviously that could have happened in a win but after the way they played the second stringers should have been on the field.
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vikings get screwed today by the redskins blowing the game against the saints, several times.
and then screwed themselves by only suiting 3 players against the cardinals.
the cardinals did the obvious thing and took those three players out of the game .
1 - percy harvin - they did not kick off to him.
response/adjustment from from vikings offense - nothing.
apparently starting off at your 35 yard line each drive isn't an advantage for the vikings since the cardinals willingly kicked it there each time.
2 - adrian peterson - almost zero yards rushing due to coverage.
response/adjustment from childress and coaching staff - nothing
apparently the cardinals guessed right when they decided to bring the whole defense in to the box and stop the run and the vikings were content to stick with the same plays they had scripted.
3 - jared allen - no sacks due to being double teamed all night and what was pathetic about that was that noone else got any sacks either.
response/adjustment from childress and coaching staff - nothing.
I apologize - They did do something here - they panicked and blitzed and got burned as expected. Note to Kevin Williams: You were the sack leader on the team before Jared Allen came to MN and were double teamed regularily every game. Feel free to make a play or two when you are suddenly given single coverage all game.
vikings/childress and coaching staff THOROUGHLY OUTCOACHED!
THOROUGHLY.
it turns out the vikings would've been better off not taking the field seeing as how, at no point in the game, did they look interested in even making a contest out of the game but more importantly:
they are now without pro bowl middle linebacker ej henderson for the rest of the year.
that's 2 pro bowlers now - GONE.
and both in the secondary.along with several other injuries.
what a cruel twist of fate.
at 3pm it was looking like the vikes would gain home field against the saints in the nfc championship, atleast for the time being.
less than 7 hours later, it is gone and most likely gone for good and yet it is no longer of any concern. they won't be able to beat the saints even if they have home field the way things are looking now.
their supposed immunity to injury (which was exagerrated in the first place) has been taken away in extreme fashion and at a terrible time and coach childress's inability to make adjustments at any other point then half time has been RE-exposed.
im pissed obviously.
Great post.
But I wouldn't worry. Every team runs into another team that has their number. And you can take some solace that the Vikings limped in there and Childress is a good enough coach not to let that happen again.
The Cardinals were expecting everything The Vikings called and once they got behind the Cards dropped everyone into coverage. For some reason the Vikes didn't go with any draws or screens. That hurt them.
The Vikings need their O-line healthy and they NEED Antoine Winfield.
And when you put Favre in the position where he thinks he needs to do everything on his own you have a high probability for disaster.
I think The Vikes will be okay. But they need to call Derek Brooks, depending on how badly the E. J. Henderson hole is going to leave.
And Moss isn't going to be the Receiver to pull you out of trouble and he's not the wide out you can depend on every play. He's the flash guy.
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thanks for the kind words - i think that may have been pay back for last year's beat down the vikes gave the cards that sent them in to a losing streak. it was even more thorough then the one the vikes got yesterday but we didn't break their middle linebacker's leg in half. althought it was his teammate who hit him.
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Apparently the Pats just can't win on the road. They have to win their 2 remaining home games (Carolina, Jacksonville) and they should be able to win @Bufallo but the way they're playing on the road who knows. And even though Houston probably won't have anything to play for in week 17, they'll probably lose that game @Houston. So 10-6 is looking likely. They should win the AFC East and get a wild card home game. There's an outside chance they could host the Steelers and if that happened they'd probably lose. Their defense is so bad Big Ben would rip them to shreds. Regardless, even if they won a playoff game at home they ain't winning any on the road.
I had hopes when they were minutes away from beating Indy. Maybe that loss has been more damaging than I could've ever imagined. The defense bounced back the next week AT HOME against the Jets but the last 2 games on the road they have been AWFUL. And Bill doesn't know what to do on offense anymore. He goes for it on 4th down sometimes, kicks it other times. Seems like he's flipping a coin. He's usually quite assertive, but he doesn't know what to do with this team. They're a mystery. They have ZERO pass rushers, which I was worried about heading into the season. But I think it's been even worse than I thought it'd be. Opposing QB's have all day back there to find the open man. They made Chad Henne look like a Pro Bowler yesterday and he actually should've done even better. He missed a bunch of wide open receivers. With all that being said, Miami only scored 22 points, despite getting all those yards. The vaunted New England offense should be able to put up more than 22 points against the Dolphins, and they didn't. They opted to go for it on 4th and 1 from the 6 instead of kicking a field goal, that's 3 points right there (though I didn't disagree with the call). Brady through a INT in the endzone (AGAIN) on 2nd and goal, that's 7 points there. They are just leaving too many points on the field. Plain and simple.
One last thing, Randy Moss has been a non factor for the last 3 games. He had a 58 yard TD catch to start off the game yesterday and then caught ONE ball the rest of the day. He failed to make a block in the first half that could've given the Pats a first down on a screen play to Kevin Faulk. I mean, his effort level to block was about 5%, just awful. If he isn't getting the ball 10 times a game he gets disinterested. He's a dynamic player who takes many plays off.
I still think the lack of a running game is hurting them big time. Can Maroney be officially labeled a bust yet? Wasn't Adealius Thomas supposed to solve some of the pass rush issues? I think they made mistakes when they started acquiring all these aging vets for depth purposes (Taylor, Galloway, Burgess etc). The problem with acquiring older guys is that they lose it fast. I would have drafted another RB(they had a ton of picks this year and next year) instead of signing Taylor as RB is one of the easier positions on the field to contribute as a rookie.
Jacksonville has been beating up on bottom feeders and has one of the worst secondaries in the league. So Brady should light them up.
As for the secondary, at least the Pats aren't starting Nick Harper who's fucking AWFUL and everyone except Jeff Fisher seems to realize this.
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Ugggghhh that's disgusting. I didn't see that, only watched a little of that game. Your teams 10-2, you won't get much sympathy here, nor will you for bashing your coach.
However Minn's schedule is pretty tough ahead, Cinci & NYG at home, CHI & Carolina on the road. Instead of looking back at the coulda, woulda, shoulda's, you need to look ahead. IIRC NO has a somewhat easier schedule ahead. So even if Minn won yesterday, and IF NO lost, Minn would likely split the final 4 games, NO probably can go 3-1 or 4-0.
Saints are going to be very interesting come playoff time. At home, they are scary. They also just score at will (as evidenced by their comeback against Wash in an obvious passing down. Can they continue it in the playoffs, or can other teams properly scheme against them. (Haven't seen it yet)
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^^^^^^^^^^ lol!!!
i'm just a fan, PA - theres no pyschology i can assert on myself to help the team get ready for the next games.
and had the vikes won yesterday and saints lost things would be drastically different. saints may have gone on a losing streak as a result - vikes may have continued their winning streak cause of the boost.
it's a game of momentum and what's going right and what's going wrong right now.
what's the problem with what i said about the coach?
he obviously came in with a bad game plan and instead of making the adjustments at half time, he blamed his players for not playing with energy.
don't get me wrong i agreed with the statement but when a team of the vike's caliber gets thoroughly destroyed in every aspect of the game by a team of a similar or arguably lesser caliber there's more going on than a lack of energy. and if that was the reason they lost every player on the field would've had to have been lacking energy and that would then come right back to the coach.
personally, i think the saints are overrated
it will be interesting to see how they handle the play offs - it's a completely different beast.
not only that.....this record they're playing for is gonna end up being more of a distraction than anything if these two undefeated teams continue that way til the playoffs.
