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Neemo
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Re: Outrage over music used as torture @ Guantanamo Bay

Neemo wrote:

Musicians crank up the volume on Guantanamo debate
AP, Oct 21, 2009 11:00 pm PDT

A coalition of mega-bands and singers outraged that music — including theirs — was cranked up to help break uncooperative detainees at Guantanamo Bay is joining retired military officers and liberal activists to rally support for President Barack Obama's push to shutter the Navy-run prison for terrorist suspects in Cuba.Pearl Jam, R.E.M., and Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails are among the musicians who have joined the National Campaign to Close Guantanamo, which launched Tuesday.
On behalf of the campaign, the National Security Archive in Washington is filing a Freedom of Information Act request seeking classified records that detail the use of loud music as an interrogation device.
"At Guantanamo, the U.S. government turned a jukebox into an instrument of torture," said Thomas Blanton, executive director of the archive, an independent, nongovernmental research institute.
Based on documents that already have been made public and interviews with former detainees, the archive says the playlist featured cuts from AC/DC, Britney Spears, the Bee Gees, Marilyn Manson and many other groups. The Meow mix cat food jingle, the Barney theme song and an assortment of Sesame Street tunes also were pumped into detainee cells.
A November 2008 report by the Senate Armed Services Committee into the treatment of detainees in U.S. custody makes several references to the use of loud music as an interrogation tool.
In one case interrogators played music to "stress" Mohamedou Ould Slahi, a citizen of Mauritania who has been at Guantanamo for more than seven years, because he believed music is forbidden, the report says.
Over a 10-day period in July 2003, Slahi was questioned by an interrogator called "Mr. X" while being "exposed to variable lighting patterns" and repeated playing of a song called "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor" by the band Drowning Pool, according to the committee's report.
Maj. Diana Haynie, a spokeswoman for Joint Task Force Guantanamo, said loud music has not been used with detainees since the fall of 2003.
Jayne Huckerby, research director at New York University's Center for Human Rights and Global Justice, said high-decibel music was also used against detainees at clandestine prisons run by the CIA.
As part of an earlier FOIA request for information about these "black sites," Huckerby received a top secret CIA document dated December 2005 in which the agency explains that the use of loud music or white noise is needed "to mask sound and prevent communication among detainees."
If decibel levels are kept at 79 or lower — roughly equivalent to a garbage disposal — detainee hearing won't be damaged, the agency said.
Huckerby says that music was not used as a "benign security tool," but as a way "to humiliate, terrify, punish, disorient and deprive detainees of sleep, in violation of international law."
CIA spokesman George Little said the CIA used music only for security, "not for punitive purposes — and at levels far below a live rock band."
Founders launched National Campaign to Close Guantanamo with ads on cable television urging Congress to reject the "failed Bush-Cheney policies."
Obama pledged to close the jail by January, but logistical snags and Republican opposition on Capitol Hill have made fulfilling that promise less likely. Former Vice President Dick Cheney, who warns that closing the prison would endanger national security, has fueled the resistance.
A group opposing the closure of the prison, Keep America Safe, said in a statement Tuesday that those held at Guantanamo are dedicated to killing Americans.

Re: Outrage over music used as torture @ Guantanamo Bay

Neemo wrote:

Pearl Jam, R.E.M., and Trent Reznor of Nine Inch Nails are among the musicians who have joined the National Campaign to Close Guantanamo, which launched Tuesday.

Good.

I applaud these people.

Communist China
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Re: Outrage over music used as torture @ Guantanamo Bay

Hard to know what actually went on, and continues to go on, in places like these. But if what these guys are saying is a fair representation of what goes on, then I support them.

Olorin
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Re: Outrage over music used as torture @ Guantanamo Bay

Olorin wrote:

"Barney theme song"

Damn thats cruel hmm

James
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Re: Outrage over music used as torture @ Guantanamo Bay

James wrote:

Sounds like a safe interrogation tool to me, or would you rather they have nails driven through their hands or something similar?

Only reason I would be opposed to it is in examples like the one used above where the guy believes music itself is wrong. While interrogation is necessary, when it comes to religious beliefs I think at least some respect should be shown.

How can Slayer not be at the top of the list? I love Slayer, but that would drive non fans crazy.

Communist China wrote:

Hard to know what actually went on, and continues to go on, in places like these. But if what these guys are saying is a fair representation of what goes on, then I support them.

This is Sesame Street stuff compared to what can and does go on at these places.

Neemo
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Re: Outrage over music used as torture @ Guantanamo Bay

Neemo wrote:
James Lofton wrote:

This is Sesame Street stuff compared to what can and does go on at these places.

is that tongue in cheek?

Neemo wrote:

The Meow mix cat food jingle, the Barney theme song and an assortment of Sesame Street tunes also were pumped into detainee cells.

16

imagine listening to the meow mix commercial for hours on end? 18

James
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Re: Outrage over music used as torture @ Guantanamo Bay

James wrote:

HAHAHA!! I can actually see the use of kid stuff because while kids like it, as an adult it's like fingernails on a chalkboard. Using the Chipmunks would be a smart move as well.

Axlin16
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Re: Outrage over music used as torture @ Guantanamo Bay

Axlin16 wrote:

I couldn't care less what those artists think. Vedder, Reznor & Stripe have been the biggest crying anti-war pussies for years.

Every REM song ever made has been pure torture for me to listen to. As a matter of fact, I should sue them for damages.

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