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Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

Sky Dog wrote:

NIGHT TRAIN      (Title Code: 440170021) 
  Writers:
   ADLER STEVEN
   HUDSON SAUL
   MC KAGAN DUFF ROSE
   ROSE W AXL
   STRADLIN IZZY

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

Sky Dog wrote:

1.  SWEET CHILD O MINE      (Title Code: 490614896) 
  Writers:
   ADLER STEVEN
   HUDSON SAUL
   MC KAGAN DUFF ROSE
   ROSE W AXL
   STRADLIN IZZY

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

Sky Dog wrote:

14 YEARS      (Title Code: 360275516) 
  Writers:
   HUDSON SAUL
   MC KAGAN DUFF ROSE
   ROSE W AXL
   STRADLIN IZZY



DUST N BONES      (Title Code: 340318481) 
  Writers:
   HUDSON SAUL
   MC KAGAN DUFF ROSE
   ROSE W AXL
   STRADLIN IZZY

DOUBLE TALKIN JIVE      (Title Code: 340320861) 
  Writers:
   HUDSON SAUL
   MC KAGAN DUFF ROSE
   ROSE W AXL
   STRADLIN IZZY


so is there a pattern with Izzy on his songs  DnB, DTJ and 14 Years?

Neemo
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Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

Neemo wrote:

so why register the songs on ascap one way and then do the liner notes a different way? i'm confused

James
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Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

James wrote:

As far as AFD goes, the old members said years ago how they split that album's credits. Not shocking to see all 5 get individual credits. Same thing was done with Lies, although the band never stated that. Where it starts getting murky is with UYI.

Now that we are seeing the real credits(why did it take so long?), we see that the core group of the UYI sessions was Axl, Izzy, Slash, and Duff. It isn't really that shocking since most of UYI dates back to the AFD days. What is shocking is how the illusion was put in place that each band member brought their own songs to the table. This is represented on the album's liner notes, but not with ASCAP.

Sorum and Dizzy are not included in any of these credits.

-D-
 Rep: 231 

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

-D- wrote:

I guess on UYI they just put who came up with the song and on ASCAP everyone gets credit for whatever parts they added or whatever ideas they used to edit the song.

For instance. If I come in with a song and its basically the finished product but Lofton adds a guitar solo and Axlin changes a few of my lyrics to make them better, they may get ASCAP credit but on the album, it may just be credited to me since I wrote the actual "Song"

The song may not have been as good in its original form but still yet considered most of the heavy lifting and idea etc

just my opinion

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

James Lofton wrote:

These ASCAP statistics may call into question his actual skills as a songwriter.

How? Then we might as well doubt anyone's song writing abilities.

We know that songs that are solely credited to Axl had the lyrics and (at least) a basic structure written by him.

You can't write and play every single instrument yourself.

D is spot on. For once we agree.

Axlin16
 Rep: 768 

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

Axlin16 wrote:

My opinion...

UYI liner notes represent the accurate creation of the songs.


ASCAP represents the equal business shares between, Axl, Slash, Izzy & Duff as equal members of GN'R, at least as of 1991.

emcitymisfit
 Rep: 28 

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

emcitymisfit wrote:

I remember I got run pretty hard on mygnr for bringing up how Axl could get the sole credit for November Rain when one of the most memorable parts and a part that added great emotional and melodic intensity to the song was Slash's solo. Looks like ASCAP agrees with me...

Gagarin
 Rep: 50 

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

Gagarin wrote:

I fail to be shocked.

Liner notes = artistic crediting, ASCAP = business

It's not an either/or
it's a both/and

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