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apex-twin
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Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

apex-twin wrote:

Paul helped get a lot of the base credits etc together which were extensive. He's always had a good memory on that stuff and it's generally important to him to be as ethical as he's capable which is invaluable. -Axl


Let's put Paul's memory to the test.

1. Chinese Democracy
Album credits: Axl, Josh Freese
ASCAP: Axl, Josh Freese, Robin, Tommy, Dizzy, Paul, Eric Caudieux and Caram Costanzo

2. Shackler's Revenge
Album credits: Axl, Buckethead, Caram Costanzo, Brain and Pete Scaturro
ASCAP: Axl, Buckethead, Robin, Caram Costanzo, Brain and Pete Scaturro

3. Better
Album credits: Axl, Robin
ASCAP: Axl, Robin

4. Street of Dreams
Album credits: Axl, Dizzy and Tommy
ASCAP: Axl, Dizzy, Tommy, Robin and Paul

5. If The World
Album credits: Axl, Chris
ASCAP: Axl, Chris

6. There Was A Time
Album credits: Axl, Paul and Dizzy
ASCAP: Axl, Paul, Tommy and Dizzy

7. Catcher in the Rye
Album credits: Axl and Paul
ASCAP: Axl, Paul, Robin, Dizzy and Tommy

8. Scraped
Album credits: Axl, Buckethead and Caram Costanzo
ASCAP: Axl, Buckethead and Caram Costanzo

9. Riad and the Bedouins
Album credits: Axl, Tommy
ASCAP: Axl, Tommy, Robin, Dizzy and Paul

10. Sorry
Album credits: Axl, Buckethead, Brain and Pete Scaturro
ASCAP: Axl, Buckethead, Brain and Pete Scaturro

11. IRS
Album credits: Axl, Paul and Dizzy
ASCAP: Axl, Paul and Dizzy

12. Madagascar
Album credits: Axl, Chris
ASCAP: Axl, Chris and Martin Luther King 14

13. This I Love
Album credits: Axl
ASCAP: Axl

14. Prostitute
Album credits: Axl, Paul
ASCAP: Axl, Paul and Robin


Therefore:

Robin - Six additional credits (total of seven)
Dizzy - Three additional credits (total of six)
Tommy - Three additional credits (total of five)
Paul - Two additional credits (total of seven)

Suddenly, Robin comes up as one of the main songwriters in the band. Whoops!

James
 Rep: 664 

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

James wrote:

Yeah this is a massive fuck up. UMG should offer legitimate liner notes as a free download to everyone who bought that.

Just when you think the rollout of the album couldn't be any more absurd, here comes the real credits.

Neemo
 Rep: 485 

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

Neemo wrote:

gotta wonder why bucket is part of the Riad lawsuit and Dizzy and Tobias aren't hmm

the MKL credit may have been a stipulation for the use of the quotes? as long as CD sells copies MLK's estate gets $$$ correct?

James
 Rep: 664 

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

James wrote:
Neemo wrote:

the MKL credit may have been a stipulation for the use of the quotes? as long as CD sells copies MLK's estate gets $$$ correct?

Yep. Now we know he actually had to get permission to use it, and also credit his estate. That had always been open to debate for years.

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

Sky Dog wrote:

to test this...someone should look at the album credits vs ascap credits for UYI. Just to see if they are different as well.

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

Sky Dog wrote:

to answer my own question....here is the much debated Estranged.

2.  ESTRANGED      (Title Code: 350180431) 
  Writers:
   HUDSON SAUL
   MC KAGAN DUFF ROSE
   ROSE W AXL
   STRADLIN IZZY

  Performers:
GUNS AND ROSES
GUNS N ROSES
GUNS N' ROSES


  Variations:
  ESTRANGED AXL ROSE

  Publishers/Administrators:
  BLACK FROG MUSIC
    % UNIVERSAL POLYGRAM INTERNATIONAL PUBLISHING INC
    99440 COLLECTIONS CENTER DRIVE
    CHICAGO, IL, 60693
    Tel. (310) 235-4700

  GUNS N' ROSES MUSIC
    % SUSSMAN & ASSOCIATES
    ATTN: CHARLES SUSSMAN
    1222 16 AVE SOUTH
    THIRD FLOOR
    NASHVILLE

RussTCB
 Rep: 633 

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

RussTCB wrote:

removed

James
 Rep: 664 

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

James wrote:

November Rain:

Writers:
   HUDSON SAUL
   MC KAGAN DUFF ROSE
   ROSE W AXL
   STRADLIN IZZY


Interesting. These ASCAP statistics may call into question his actual skills as a songwriter. All his "babies" required the usual help.


Not knocking him. He's obviously talented but the real facts do change things a bit.

James
 Rep: 664 

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

James wrote:

Coma:

Writers:
   HUDSON SAUL
   MC KAGAN DUFF ROSE
   ROSE W AXL
   STRADLIN IZZY


I sense a pattern.....

Re: Who REALLY wrote Chinese Democracy

Sky Dog wrote:

There may be a difference between ascap writing credits and the album credits.....I have no clue. Let's try an AFD song.

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