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Re: Best Album of the 80s Elimination- Round 3
But do you really think that was the pulse of the music scene back in 1984?
Who cares?
...And anyway, speaking from someone from a generation after your own, the cultural importance of those Metallica albums on the list to the last one and the next is alot greater than that of the Beastie Boys, Motley Crue and The Police.
Re: Best Album of the 80s Elimination- Round 3
1984 Most Over-rated and derivative piece of shit ever! How that album eclipsed Pyromania I will never know. In my opinion Pyromania set the template for an 80s rock album. Certain bands then went and "glamed up" the music and presentation. Before you knew it even the guys who had laid the foundations had to "glam up" themselves just yo compete in the MTV video stakes....sickening. I completely forgive Def Leppard for their Fashion blunders and misgivings of their Image in the 80s.
Because:
1.They created some world class albums in that decade.
2. They quickly went back to their old Image from the Pyromania, High and Dry days after 1991. Most bands of their ilk were donning grungey torn jeans and flannel shirts in an attempt to fit in with the new seen (see Bon jovi circa These Days album in 1994).
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Image-wise Leppard went back to the way they were before all the Glam stuff took off. Musically they moved forward to release Slang, one of the most underrated albums of the 90s. Leppard fans didn't like it because it was such a departure from their last few albums. Mainstream rock (which was in the throws of grunge) didn't like it because Def Leppard had been the Archetypical type band that they were replacing in the music scene and they never gave the album a second thought, because at that point Leppard just wasn't trendy enough. They had less comercial appeal the their anti-commercialist grunge contemporaries.
I started to listen to Def Leppard when Slang came out . Slang was my first Leppard album so I didn't have the prejudices that one would no doubt have developed had I been a fan of their previous 2 proper albums. It is in my opinion their best album and an under rated gem that fell by the wayside due to the musical climate in shich it was released. Ironically I think that if Pearl Jam had put out Slang it would be lauded to this day as a masterpiece. The fact that it had the Def Leppard label on the cover meant that grunge fans wouldn't touch it; as I said earlier Leppard fans were too shocked at such a huge departure from their now established sound.
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Re: Best Album of the 80s Elimination- Round 3
Axlin08 wrote:But do you really think that was the pulse of the music scene back in 1984?
Who cares?
...And anyway, speaking from someone from a generation after your own, the cultural importance of those Metallica albums on the list to the last one and the next is alot greater than that of the Beastie Boys, Motley Crue and The Police.
Outside of little metalhead fanboy worlds... no it's not.
The Police & Beastie Boys were FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more influential than Metallica.
Crue... were a band of their time. AOR metal. Nothing more.
The Black album, and maybe to an extent Load & Reload (all 90's albums) were the big influence on this generation's rock artists. I don't hear anything with a thrash flair in today's radio hits, at all. I do hear Beastie & Police influences all over the place. As for Metallica, I do hear the influence... all over the place. But I hear the 90's material influencing... not the 80's.
And as for 'who cares'. If you want to believe Ride the Lightning (which I nominated mind you) is the best album of the entire 1980s, ding ding for you. Pass that bong while you're at it.
Re: Best Album of the 80s Elimination- Round 3
AtariLegend wrote:Axlin08 wrote:But do you really think that was the pulse of the music scene back in 1984?
Who cares?
...And anyway, speaking from someone from a generation after your own, the cultural importance of those Metallica albums on the list to the last one and the next is alot greater than that of the Beastie Boys, Motley Crue and The Police.
Outside of little metalhead fanboy worlds... no it's not.
The Police & Beastie Boys were FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more influential than Metallica.
Crue... were a band of their time. AOR metal. Nothing more.
The Black album, and maybe to an extent Load & Reload (all 90's albums) were the big influence on this generation's rock artists. I don't hear anything with a thrash flair in today's radio hits, at all. I do hear Beastie & Police influences all over the place. As for Metallica, I do hear the influence... all over the place. But I hear the 90's material influencing... not the 80's.
And as for 'who cares'. If you want to believe Ride the Lightning (which I nominated mind you) is the best album of the entire 1980s, ding ding for you. Pass that bong while you're at it.
When did we ever say Ride The Lightning was the best album? And what are you talking about! Many artists cite Metallica as an influence and the albums they mention are usually Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, Master of Puppers and ...And Justice For All. Any rock artist today never cites Load and Reload as an influence and some might mention the black album. Also I resent being called a "little metal fanboy". Ride The Lightning in my opinion was a landmark album and a quantum leap above other thrash metal albums coming out at the time. Songs like Call of Ktulu and Fade To Black are excellent examples of Metallica writing ability and in terms of quality are leaps and bounds above stuff like the Beastie Boys and the police.
Re: Best Album of the 80s Elimination- Round 3
And? Are any of those artists that great? Police were alright but really their influence extends mostly to pop music and today's pop music isn't that great. The Beastie Boys were basically a joke band and they were funny but their biggest cultural influence was making it cool to wear a VW logo round your neck.
Besides why are you wanting to vote based on "influence". It's the best albums of the 80s not most influential. Also by that logic why are people trying to get rid of PHM, whilst it may not have took off till the nineties it, and Downward Spiral were very influential albums.
Re: Best Album of the 80s Elimination- Round 3
Axlin08 wrote:AtariLegend wrote:Who cares?
...And anyway, speaking from someone from a generation after your own, the cultural importance of those Metallica albums on the list to the last one and the next is alot greater than that of the Beastie Boys, Motley Crue and The Police.
Outside of little metalhead fanboy worlds... no it's not.
The Police & Beastie Boys were FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more influential than Metallica.
Crue... were a band of their time. AOR metal. Nothing more.
The Black album, and maybe to an extent Load & Reload (all 90's albums) were the big influence on this generation's rock artists. I don't hear anything with a thrash flair in today's radio hits, at all. I do hear Beastie & Police influences all over the place. As for Metallica, I do hear the influence... all over the place. But I hear the 90's material influencing... not the 80's.
And as for 'who cares'. If you want to believe Ride the Lightning (which I nominated mind you) is the best album of the entire 1980s, ding ding for you. Pass that bong while you're at it.
When did we ever say Ride The Lightning was the best album? And what are you talking about! Many artists cite Metallica as an influence and the albums they mention are usually Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning, Master of Puppers and ...And Justice For All. Any rock artist today never cites Load and Reload as an influence and some might mention the black album. Also I resent being called a "little metal fanboy". Ride The Lightning in my opinion was a landmark album and a quantum leap above other thrash metal albums coming out at the time. Songs like Call of Ktulu and Fade To Black are excellent examples of Metallica writing ability and in terms of quality are leaps and bounds above stuff like the Beastie Boys and the police.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But when someone states that Metallica made better albums than the Police, from that point on, their opinion instantly becomes worth its own weight in dog shit.
It should be dually noted that this is a one way system. One never can recover a modicum of worth in said opinion after such an outrageously flawed comment. 
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