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Re: 4 BOYS charged in Phoenix girl's sex assault...
To put this in a different perspective, imagine you have an 8 year old sister. that'd be 3rd grade.
Now imagine a highschool freshman raping her. Wouldn't you want him tried as an adult?
IMO he's plenty old enough to know how wrong that is.
Re: 4 BOYS charged in Phoenix girl's sex assault...
Yeah, and the whole concept of "a village raises a child" only applies when the child is perfectly sane, keeps his mouth shut, and is no problem.
To shoot a 14-year old in the back of the head to save a couple dollars, and someone's precious time to get to the bottom of his issues is not only ignorant, but absurdly lazy.
Is it your fault? No. But that's the biggest problem in the world today, is NO ONE wants to help. Just stick the punk in jail, right?
I can understand if this was a 24-year old. But a 14-year old, they're BOTH children.
Trying him as an adult means absolutely nothing to trying to understand the child, and maybe helping him away from that path as an adult. It simply makes someone happy, because our court of law did something about it, which doesn't change the problem or person at all. It's simply the lazy man's way of saying "justice was served".
Re: 4 BOYS charged in Phoenix girl's sex assault...
Yeah, and the whole concept of "a village raises a child" only applies when the child is perfectly sane, keeps his mouth shut, and is no problem.
To shoot a 14-year old in the back of the head to save a couple dollars, and someone's precious time to get to the bottom of his issues is not only ignorant, but absurdly lazy.
Is it your fault? No. But that's the biggest problem in the world today, is NO ONE wants to help. Just stick the punk in jail, right?
I can understand if this was a 24-year old. But a 14-year old, they're BOTH children.
Its not just about saving dollars. Its about saving lives. Here's some choices....
Put this kid in jail with an adult jail sentence keeping him in there for awhile
Charge him as a juvenile and give him a slap on the wrist so he can rape again ASAP
Give him counseling so he can rape again
Guess which of those three is the best solution? Obviously killing him is just a pipe dream. We don't operate like that. Our system is gonna throw him between the legs of his next victim.
Counseling doesn't help these people. When you're raping kids, you're too far gone for help. Reminds of Westley Allan Dodd(or another killer) who had just got a clearance from a psychologist saying he wasn't a threat to the public, and when finally arrested years later Dodd said he had the heads of two girls in the trunk of his car while getting this clearance(and actually laughed about this).
Yeah he was rehabilitated alright. 
All that "rehabilitation" did was encourage him to commit more crimes.
If this kid was stealing shit, lighting fires, or something like that, I'd say go ahead and rehabilitate. He's RAPING CHILDREN.
Re: 4 BOYS charged in Phoenix girl's sex assault...
Norway has been rated as the top country on the planet to live in...wealth, health and economy wise.
Somalia has been rated the worst in all of these ratings.
And yet they still bring a whole bunch of Somalians into the country.
That's jumping from worst to best in one plane ride. It just simply CAN'T work very well. From civil war and daily rapings to the most peaceful country in the world in 1-2-3. Why bring their shit here? Deal with it down there. I'm fucking tired of this crap.
Like James said, primitive shit.
USA got enough immigrants pouring in. Give those already there a chance and hold up on the never-ending knock on the door.
A vast amounts of Scandinavians immigrated to the States late 1800's to 1930's...I'm sure they were all so thankful for their chance to make it in the USA, but I seriously doubt any of the immigrants kids ran around raping other kids. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Re: 4 BOYS charged in Phoenix girl's sex assault...
Axlin08 wrote:Yeah, and the whole concept of "a village raises a child" only applies when the child is perfectly sane, keeps his mouth shut, and is no problem.
To shoot a 14-year old in the back of the head to save a couple dollars, and someone's precious time to get to the bottom of his issues is not only ignorant, but absurdly lazy.
Is it your fault? No. But that's the biggest problem in the world today, is NO ONE wants to help. Just stick the punk in jail, right?
I can understand if this was a 24-year old. But a 14-year old, they're BOTH children.
Its not just about saving dollars. Its about saving lives. Here's some choices....
Put this kid in jail with an adult jail sentence keeping him in there for awhile
Charge him as a juvenile and give him a slap on the wrist so he can rape again ASAP
Give him counseling so he can rape again
Guess which of those three is the best solution? Obviously killing him is just a pipe dream. We don't operate like that. Our system is gonna throw him between the legs of his next victim.
Counseling doesn't help these people. When you're raping kids, you're too far gone for help. Reminds of Westley Allan Dodd(or another killer) who had just got a clearance from a psychologist saying he wasn't a threat to the public, and when finally arrested years later Dodd said he had the heads of two girls in the trunk of his car while getting this clearance(and actually laughed about this).
Yeah he was rehabilitated alright.
If this kid was stealing shit, lighting fires, or something like that, I'd say go ahead and rehabilitate. He's RAPING CHILDREN.
And jail does? Typically rapists are evil. There is no rehabilitating that. But at the same time, executing a 14-year old...
I'm just stuck on that one.
Like I said, if this was a 24-year old, i'd agree with you.
Re: 4 BOYS charged in Phoenix girl's sex assault...
And jail does? Typically rapists are evil. There is no rehabilitating that. But at the same time, executing a 14-year old...
I'm just stuck on that one.
Like I said, if this was a 24-year old, i'd agree with you.
What was your stance on the Lionel Tate case? He basically destroyed a six year old girl's body beyond recognition.
How can such a person be rehabilitated?
Re: 4 BOYS charged in Phoenix girl's sex assault...
I don't know the extent of Tate's psychoanalyis & therapy after the murder. And yes I do believe it was murder. They claimed up and down it was an accident, so I don't know how much he believed that in his own mind, or that it was just a defense.
Because it depends.
If he truely believes that it was an accident, he needed certain help, and years of it, through positive therapy and the reinforcement of that, and no life in prison.
But if it was a conscious act, and a manifested defense to "get away with it", then he's evil, and there is no rehabilitation for that. They are perfectly conscious and aware of the situation, and manipulate it for their own means.
If he really did believe it was an accident, he's still a young boy with tragic problems, and only when these things are addressed, will he make steps to change his future.
But the fact that even the prosecution lobbied the court for a reduced sentence, just goes to show that even they had a problem with it.
My personal opinion on Tate's situation, and many of the kids that commit these horrible acts is... punish the parents. Make them liable, and go after them. Charge their parents with the murder. Is it a definitive solution? No. But I think it'd greatly help recognizing some of these individuals with these issues, and addressing it, whether the parents like it or not.
I've just seen it all too often in my life. Plenty of kids that therapy could've greatly helped them at a confused time in their life, that grew up to be psychos. So the parents don't have the money to pay. The psychologist offers to do it for free (i've seen this). THEN, the parents say "well, but I can't drive that far. Gas and all.". Then the psychologist says, "i'll pick them up, and bring them back". Then, the child is let loose and is never home and the parents don't enforce it, so how do they get help?
Make the parents responsible. Make Tate's mother responsible.
There are some kids/people that are just - evil. We can't explain it, we can't control it, it can't be negotiated with, and it'll never die.
I frankly don't have an answer. And don't know if I ever will if I live 400 years. Killing a child or sentencing them to life (same thing) isn't right. But at the same time, evil will never change. We can't let it roam the streets either.
Maybe in Tate's case we should take a harder edged stance, because it was murder, and a vicious one at that. Whereas this Phoenix case was a rape.
Then what happens if you're dealing with someone, whom you do keep locked up forever, and they are so nuts, they are a danger to the staff, doctors and security kept around them? Can't release them, can't keep them, can't kill them.
But at the same time, if I saw this 12-year old fucker (Tate) doing this to a child, I wouldn't hesistate to put a bullet in him to stop him.
I guess that's my answer. In a roundabout way I agree with you, I just don't like what i'd do, and know i'd do.
Re: 4 BOYS charged in Phoenix girl's sex assault...
Tate reoffended, and he finally got the prison sentence he deserved originally. Funny that he got a slap on the wrist for murdering and desecrating a 6 year old girl's body, but gets 30 years for robbing someone with a gun.
He should have been executed for killing her. This country used to execute children many, many years ago(wasn't the youngest 11?), and in cases where its obvious there's no chance of any rehab, just pull the trigger.
Punish the parents? That's just an extra slap on the wrist for the criminal.
Re: 4 BOYS charged in Phoenix girl's sex assault...
Tate reoffended, and he finally got the prison sentence he deserved originally. Funny that he got a slap on the wrist for murdering and desecrating a 6 year old girl's body, but gets 30 years for robbing someone with a gun.
He should have been executed for killing her. This country used to execute children many, many years ago(wasn't the youngest 11?), and in cases where its obvious there's no chance of any rehab, just pull the trigger.
Punish the parents? That's just an extra slap on the wrist for the criminal.
the reason he got 30 years james, was because he had already broke the parole he was on before the robbery, by being caught with a knife.
Re: 4 BOYS charged in Phoenix girl's sex assault...
James Lofton wrote:Tate reoffended, and he finally got the prison sentence he deserved originally. Funny that he got a slap on the wrist for murdering and desecrating a 6 year old girl's body, but gets 30 years for robbing someone with a gun.
He should have been executed for killing her. This country used to execute children many, many years ago(wasn't the youngest 11?), and in cases where its obvious there's no chance of any rehab, just pull the trigger.
Punish the parents? That's just an extra slap on the wrist for the criminal.
the reason he got 30 years james, was because he had already broke the parole he was on before the robbery, by being caught with a knife.
A wonderful and respected pillar of society. The rehab worked so well, and we should all aspire to achieve Lionel Tate's heights of greatness.
Every time some liberal judge/prosecutor decides to coddle these fuckers, the criminal should have to live with the judge and/or prosecutor for at least a year, including babysitting duty. I have a funny feeling if such a law were in place these guys wouldn't be roaming the streets.
