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Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
madagas wrote:no it's not......what he became was pathetic.
Not immediately after Thriller he didn't. As for him being a genius. You think not. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I respect that. Could you at least respect the opinion of those who think he is? Sure he ain't rock n roll like faldor said but he didn't make rnr.
Not even close to self made artists like Dylan, or Prince, or Hendrix. This guy couldn't play an instrument, relied very heavily on producers, writers, and musicians. He was a very talented guy who was surrounded during his peak years by the best in the business...Quincy Jones, Berry Gordy...he was a pop product no different than Madonna or Mariah Carey. Nothing close to genius.
Unfortunately, no, I don't respect anyone's opinion who says he is a genius. A talented singer and dancer is simply not a genius. There has been hundreds of people in "pop" music who could do that. (and by the way, the last time I checked, rock and roll is pop music)
Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
gnfnraxl wrote:madagas wrote:no it's not......what he became was pathetic.
Not immediately after Thriller he didn't. As for him being a genius. You think not. Fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I respect that. Could you at least respect the opinion of those who think he is? Sure he ain't rock n roll like faldor said but he didn't make rnr.
Not even close to self made artists like Dylan, or Prince, or Hendrix. This guy couldn't play an instrument, relied very heavily on producers, writers, and musicians. He was a very talented guy who was surrounded during his peak years by the best in the business...Quincy Jones, Berry Gordy...he was a pop product no different than Madonna or Mariah Carey. Nothing close to genius.
Unfortunately, no, I don't respect anyone's opinion who says he is a genius. A talented singer and dancer is simply not a genius. There has been hundreds of people in "pop" music who could do that.
He may have not played any instruments but he still wrote most of his songs so he was more than "talented singer and dancer". And while I'll admit Dylan's lyrics are up there. When that guy sings I sometimes wish I was actually deaf.
Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
Still it's not fair to compare him to ROCK artists. Name a pop star that can play an instrument, write their own music ALL by themselves. Maybe Prince, aside from that you'd be hard pressed. The word genius gets thrown around too often. He was and always will be an icon, like him or not, that can't be denied. The freak show that he morphed into only added to his mystique.
Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
don't go there...Dylan completely changed the face of rock and roll in 1965 when he went electric and brought "art" to rock and roll. 33 years later he is winning Grammy's for album of the year. Over 40 years later he released an album that went to #1 on the Billboard charts. Dylan and The Beatles are pretty much untouchable artistically. Their influence IS rock and roll. Michael Jackson isn't fit to be in the same breath as Dylan. You also need to go check the writing credits for all of Michael Jackson's solo albums...which I did today....he has easily less than 50% of the songs on his solo albums written by other writers and producers. Hesimply is not an artistic genius by any measure....it is a joke to say he is.
Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
Still it's not fair to compare him to ROCK artists. Name a pop star that can play an instrument, write their own music ALL by themselves. Maybe Prince, aside from that you'd be hard pressed. The word genius gets thrown around too often. He was and always will be an icon, like him or not, that can't be denied. The freak show that he morphed into only added to his mystique.
It is thrown around too often (genius). Say Elvis. One of the most talented performers of all time if not the most talented. Calling him a genius though is pushing it cause let's face it. Elvis didn't write songs. Amd I'm a huge Elvis fan. In music I consider Lennon to be a genius, MJ was wether we like it or not. I'd say Brian Wilson is or was a genius. There are others, like Hendrix amongst others. But they are a selective group I would say (musical geniuses).
Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
Still it's not fair to compare him to ROCK artists. Name a pop star that can play an instrument, write their own music ALL by themselves. Maybe Prince, aside from that you'd be hard pressed. The word genius gets thrown around too often. He was and always will be an icon, like him or not, that can't be denied. The freak show that he morphed into only added to his mystique.
ICON doesn't equal genius.....:peace:
Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
don't go there...Dylan completely changed the face of rock and roll in 1965 when he went electric and brought "art" to rock and roll. Michael Jackson isn't fit to be in the same breath as Dylan. You also need to go check the writing credits for all of Michael Jackson's solo albums...which I did today....he has easily less than 50% of the songs on his solo albums written by other writers and producers. Hesimply is not an artistic genius by any measure....it is a joke to say he is.
I got MJ's records and most or like you said 50% of his songs he wrote you can't change that. And go read my post again about Dylan. I never questioned his musical talent or songwriting talent. What I did say is that there should be a law that would keep him away from any microphone cause his voice is plain awful. His songs may be good but seriously man if you think Dylan has a beautiful voice and has an amazing singing talent well really I don't know what to say cause well he can't sing.
Re: Michael Jackson Discussion
faldor wrote:Still it's not fair to compare him to ROCK artists. Name a pop star that can play an instrument, write their own music ALL by themselves. Maybe Prince, aside from that you'd be hard pressed. The word genius gets thrown around too often. He was and always will be an icon, like him or not, that can't be denied. The freak show that he morphed into only added to his mystique.
It is thrown around too often (genius). Say Elvis. One of the most talented performers of all time if not the most talented. Calling him a genius though is pushing it cause let's face it. Elvis didn't write songs. Amd I'm a huge Elvis fan. In music I consider Lennon to be a genius, MJ was wether we like it or not. I'd say Brian Wilson is or was a genius. There are others, like Hendrix amongst others. But they are a selective group I would say (musical geniuses).
Elvis is more in Jackson's category. However, he transformed rock and roll in a thousand ways. Michael Jackson was a popular pop star....in the end, that was it.
