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Re: Michael Jackson's This Is It Discussion
The man had what was essentially a dungeon built in his mansion that looked like a day care center and not only was it sound proof, alarms went off if anyone went so many feet near it.
That's not normal, and if I had children, they wouldn't be within a light year of that room.
We're gonna see people like Davis saying it was all bullshit and then people claiming that its all true. Its a very polarizing issue, and it will always be like that.
We're also gonna see more people speak out on this issue now that he's dead and they don't have to fear being sued. Gonna be some interesting books coming out the next couple years.
I think we've only seen the tip of the iceberg in regards to the child abuse issue.
As far as Feldman, Webster, and Culkin go, I don't think he actually had sex with them. Way too risky to do so. A scandal like that would have destroyed his career back then. There are pictures of Jackson and Webster at that hotel that are definitely inappropriate, but nothing thats actually sexual in nature. Just looked for those pics and couldn't find them. Strange. I'm sure they'll pop up now that he's gonna be a hot topic everywhere for a couple weeks.
Re: Michael Jackson's This Is It Discussion
Yeah I always figured maybe he was just a bit mental not a pedophile. Like if he still had the mentality of a child and felt like a 10yo boy does himsself. Then it made sence in his head to be friends with kids, and do stuff like have sleep-overs and sleep next to another 10yo kid, and it could all be innocent and non-sexual.
Crazy yes, and not normal behaviour from an adult, but not necesarily what us adults would assume is the purpose behind having another person in your bed.
Who did he fuck then? He wasn't fucking any women that's for sure, and if he was screwing men, they would have all sold their stories to the Enquirer back then.
Are you telling me this guy died a virgin?
You gotta realize....
At the height of this guy's fame(82-91), he could have fucked anybody. ANYBODY.
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Re: Michael Jackson's This Is It Discussion
monkeychow wrote:Yeah I always figured maybe he was just a bit mental not a pedophile. Like if he still had the mentality of a child and felt like a 10yo boy does himsself. Then it made sence in his head to be friends with kids, and do stuff like have sleep-overs and sleep next to another 10yo kid, and it could all be innocent and non-sexual.
Crazy yes, and not normal behaviour from an adult, but not necesarily what us adults would assume is the purpose behind having another person in your bed.
Who did he fuck then? He wasn't fucking any women that's for sure, and if he was screwing men, they would have all sold their stories to the Enquirer back then.
Are you telling me this guy died a virgin?
You gotta realize....
At the height of this guy's fame(82-91), he could have fucked anybody. ANYBODY.
IF (and I say this as a complete IF cos I'm only suggesting one possible senario here) he had the mental problems I'm talking about above and still identified as a child and not an adult - he may simply have been not interested in sex. It's rare as shit but it does happen that some people are simply not sexual - and not because of religion - it's just that they don't give a shit about sex. see for example: http://www.asexuality.org/home/
OR
Perhaps he had a mix of adult emotions. Where mentally most of the time he identified to the innocence of childhood but still experienced occasional bouts of sexual desire for women which he was then unable to rationalise, and would rub one out to a porno mag or something, then loath himself and go back to his childhood world for another year...who knows.
I'm not saying his behaviour was normal or even appropriate. I'm just saying it's also an assumption that he wanted to have sex with little boys.
Oh and why does an 8yo boy or girl often refuse to have other gender friends it's because to little kids the others are "eww gross" 
Re: Michael Jackson's This Is It Discussion
He also paid 20 million to settle that initial 1993 case. That doesn't scream innocence to me. If nothing truly happened he would have fought tooth and nail to protect his name and rep. This was in 1993 where his name still meant something in the music world. I was watching NBC where this cop who worked on this case said point blank that the accuser gave a very detailed description of Michael's genitals. I believe the legal document (criminal complaint) that the accuser made in 1993 was leaked onto The Smoking Gun. I read that and there is a lot of damming evidence against Michael Jackson.
Then around 10 years later similar charges are brought against him again. I don't think it is coincidental. He got off by basically putting the accuser on trial by focusing on their problems. Then there was that Bashir piece that aired on ABC. That's way too much stuff for me to say he's not a pedophile.
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Re: Michael Jackson's This Is It Discussion
Yeah...maybe your right...i don't know i'm just saying there's a lot of potential possibilities that people often don't consider.
For example, it's obvious that his behaviour, even if innocent, was wrong and wouldn't be understood by the average person. It's also possible that if he had this child like mind, then going through a protracted legal battle and cases and whatever would destroy him. If you have as much cash as he did at the time then maybe its worth 20 mil just to be able to stay in your room and not try and explain how wierd you are.
I agree multiple cases is bad, and the thing about the genitals, but as i've said - it's clear to me that he did the wrong thing multiple times - what's not for sure is the mindset of him while doing it. I can see ways it might have been intended innocent but come across as overltly sexual to normal people like us.
Anyhow, i could also be wrong, maybe he was a pedophile of the worst kind, no way to really know.
But he was a great musican that's for sure.
Re: Michael Jackson's This Is It Discussion
Oh and why does an 8yo boy or girl often refuse to have other gender friends it's because to little kids the others are "eww gross"
When I was 7 and 8 I was throwing erasers and shit at little girls. At 10 I was "playing doctor" with various girls who lived at my apartment complex.
You outgrow that "eww gross" phase awfully damn quick. To insinuate a grown man is in that phase is a giant leap I'm not willing to take.
By the way, anyone who looks at pornography of any kind is not asexual.
Child abuse or no child abuse, to say he was eccentric would be the understatement of the century. You could write volumes of books on this guy and not even include any of that.
Also, he had 50 sold out shows booked for his upcoming tour. That in a nutshell shows the impact he still had on people. No one else on this earth could sell out shows like that.
Re: Michael Jackson's This Is It Discussion
He also paid 20 million to settle that initial 1993 case. That doesn't scream innocence to me. If nothing truly happened he would have fought tooth and nail to protect his name and rep. This was in 1993 where his name still meant something in the music world. I was watching NBC where this cop who worked on this case said point blank that the accuser gave a very detailed description of Michael's genitals. I believe the legal document (criminal complaint) that the accuser made in 1993 was leaked onto The Smoking Gun. I read that and there is a lot of damming evidence against Michael Jackson.
Then around 10 years later similar charges are brought against him again. I don't think it is coincidental. He got off by basically putting the accuser on trial by focusing on their problems. Then there was that Bashir piece that aired on ABC. That's way too much stuff for me to say he's not a pedophile.
I read that the person who gave the description wasn't completely accurate, not to mention the fact that after he got his money, he no longer wanted anything to do with police investigation of Jackson. I also think the latest charges were brought forth after the whole Bashir incident, which could very well have been taking advantage of the whole weirdness factor. To me, I don't see how the family would settle if MJ was really to blame. Wouldn't they want Jackson to be kept locked away so he couldn't do this thing again? If they settled knowing their kid was telling the truth, they basically whored out their own child.
I really don't know. I would think if the guy really wanted to do something like that, with his means and money, he could have done it without getting caught. Can't you pretty much do anything in some parts of this world? I just know, in my mind, he was off in la-la land and because of that, I just have no idea. The guy did a lot of good for this world and he was never proven to have done anything wrong with children. I guess it's just one of those things we'll never know. Now that he's dead, I'm sure more allegations will fly for some book deals, but who knows?
Rock stars are weird with this shit, though. Steven Tyler was in love with a 15 year old at the beginning of his career, if you guys recall.
