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Re: Pepsi altering course for dumbed down public
I find it kind of funny people talking about this kind of stuff when there are more important things going on in the world to worry about.
Really? Are you on the front lines of Darfur protesting the mass slaughter of women and children? Protesting Obama's refusal to acknowledge american hostages being held in North Korea? What's your stance on the importation of Foie Gras?
If you would like to discuss "important" issues, feel free to start threads on the subjects that concern you. I'll see ya there. 
There are many things going on in the world. Some good, some bad. Some superficial. It isn't surprising that people are discussing soda which has been a huge part of our culture for a century.
Why did they switch to corn syrup? Is it cheaper?
Many reasons for the switch, but the key was sugar tariffs and the politics of such tripe going back to the 30s, but the corn syrup retaliation to it started in the 80s.
Long articles about it, but here's a key snippet:
Congress, in a moment of economic sobriety, abolished sugar quotas in June 1974. But, on May 5, 1982, President Reagan reimposed import quotas. The quotas sought to create an artificial shortage of sugar that would drive up U.S. prices and force consumers to unknowingly support American sugar growers. And by keeping the subsidies covert and off-budget, quotas did not interfere with Reagan's bragging about how he was cutting wasteful government spending.
Between May 1982 and November 1984, the U.S. government reduced the sugar import quotas six times as the USDA desperately tried to balance foreign and domestic sugar supplies with domestic demand
While USDA bureaucrats worked overtime to minutely regulate the quantity of sugar allowed into the United States, a bomb went off that destroyed their best-laid plans. On November 6, 1984, both Coca Cola and Pepsi announced plans to stop using sugar in soft drinks, replacing it with high-fructose corn syrup. At the drop of two press releases, U.S. sugar consumption decreased by more than 500,000 tons a year — equal to the entire quotas of 25 of the 42 nations allowed to sell sugar to the United States. The quota program drove sugar prices so high that it wrecked the market for sugar — and thereby destroyed the government's ability to control sugar supply and demand. On January 16, 1985, Agriculture Secretary John Block announced an effective 20 percent cut in the quota for all exporting countries.
Sugar quotas made it very profitable to import products with high amounts of sugar. As a USDA report noted, "The incentive to circumvent restrictions had led to creation of new products which had never been traded in the United States and which were designed specifically for the U.S. market." On June 28, 1983, Reagan declared an embargo on imports of certain blends and mixtures of sugar and other ingredients in bulk containers. Naturally, businesses began importing some of the same products in smaller containers. The Economic Report of the President noted, "Entrepreneurs were importing high-sugar content products, such as iced-tea mix, and then sifting their sugar content from them and selling the sugar at the high domestic price." On November 7, 1984, the Customs Service announced new restrictions on sugar- and sweetener-blend imports.
If you feel like reading the history of this issue(although not really necessary unless you are just interested in the overall aspects, here's the link:
http://www.fff.org/freedom/0498d.asp
By the way, this was one of Reagan's few mistakes. I understand Reagan was very pro american while also embracing free trade, but he went overboard at a very crucial time. Its no coincidence trade deficits started exploding under Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama. He opened the door a crack for their pure idiocy to destroy this nation.
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This site doesn't have a links section(and never will on my watch), but thats just to prevent new members from joining just to spam their links and never contribute to the community or come back here. I have no issue with active members starting threads with content they use on personal sites and posting a link to their blog/website at the bottom of their post. If you write some blog entry you feel would contribute to a discussion, or want to start a discussion, feel free to do so.
Re: Pepsi altering course for dumbed down public
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Re: Pepsi altering course for dumbed down public
They have Throwback at Safeway now. I just bought 2 8 packs. It was on sale for 2 bucks. Got a few in the freezer right now. Cant wait to try it and see how it differs from Pepsi Natural.
Here's Pepsi Natural if you hadn't heard of it yet....
An all-new premium cola, Pepsi Natural is made with all-natural ingredients, including lightly sparkling water, natural sugar, natural caramel and kola nut extract. The amber-hued cola gets its color from natural caramel and natural apple extract. From the amount of bubbles to the foam that rises to the top of beverage when it's poured, Pepsi Natural offers a brand-new cola experience.
Pepsi Natural is packaged in a sleek 12-oz. glass bottle and is available in single-serve and 4-packs initially in the premium and/or natural food aisles of retail outlets in the following ten regional markets; Chicago, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Las Vegas and New York.
That stuff is delicious. If you see it in stores, grab a 4 pack as I don't think its sold in individual bottles yet.
Re: Pepsi altering course for dumbed down public
I just drank a can of throwback Pepsi while watching a dvd. First thing, that tart aftertaste that you get with the HFCS Pepsi is not here, that is a positive although it might take you some time to get used to the difference. At first I thought it tasted like some diet cola.
There is a better cola flavor in this throwback Pepsi as it leaves a far superior aftertaste and finish. I'd say that it tastes similar to the gummi cola candy made by Haribo.:thumbup:
In short, I prefer this version to the regular Pepsi. I'll try to drink a Mountain Dew throwback and compare it to the original.
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Dunno if it's the same as that natural stuff, but they just released something called Pepsi Raw over here recently and one of the selling points is it uses natural ingredients. Tastes good but would still prefer a normal bottle of pepsi.
Re: Pepsi altering course for dumbed down public
Dunno if it's the same as that natural stuff, but they just released something called Pepsi Raw over here recently and one of the selling points is it uses natural ingredients. Tastes good but would still prefer a normal bottle of pepsi.
Raw is the name for Throwback overseas.
Axl S, this is what used to be "normal". 
You're just not used to the way its supposed to taste.
I really hope this catches on so other soda companies will do the same thing. I'd kill for a real Dr Pepper or Coke.
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I picked up a pack of Pepsi Throwback and Mountain Dew Throwback this Memorial Day weekend, as it was on sale.
Let me just say... no freakin' contest. This old school stuff smokes the ass of new era. Firstly, I HATE Pepsi. Never have liked Pepsi, always been a Coke man, and I grew up entirely in the Corn Syrup days. Pepsi-Throwback has completely turned me around on Pepsi's product. It tastes like a higher quality cola, and ironically even though it uses less sugar and no corn syrup - it tastes sweeter. The horrible aftertaste is gone, and this stuff has entirely turned me around on Pepsi. I love it. Mountain Dew is where my expertise lies. Dew is my Beer. And Throwback kicks the ass of what i've enjoyed all these years. Once again, it's sweeter, and loses the aftertaste.
Both Pepsi & Dew throwback, taste like "fountain drink" in a can. They are very very good. I highly suggest those who haven't tried it, go get some.
I hope it doesn't go away, and I hope the kids out there that don't know any better, also get a taste for it, and throw that Corn Syrup shit out the window.
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Not only is the aftertaste gone, but it actually quenches your thirst and makes you feel full. I could drink can after can of soda and it be no big deal. With this old school stuff, I can drink three or four and have satisfied my soda craving.
Re: Pepsi altering course for dumbed down public
Axl S wrote:Dunno if it's the same as that natural stuff, but they just released something called Pepsi Raw over here recently and one of the selling points is it uses natural ingredients. Tastes good but would still prefer a normal bottle of pepsi.
Raw is the name for Throwback overseas.
Axl S, this is what used to be "normal".
I really hope this catches on so other soda companies will do the same thing. I'd kill for a real Dr Pepper or Coke.
Not sure if it is the same. Ours only comes in cans, like energy drinks. It did taste a lot less artificial though. More like a real drink.
EDIT: Just googled it. Yeah they're the same drink. Hmm the problem is Raw costs £1 for one can wheras regular pepsi costs half that. 
