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Re: GnREvolution Music Madness - Discussion and Results Thread
So "Estranged" lives to fight another day.. 
Re: GnREvolution Music Madness - Discussion and Results Thread
In a competition to find the best song being 'not NR' is enough of a complaint to boot Estranged.
The song builds to nothing. That guitar riff is the whole song, once it's played once, it's there. The song has nowhere to go - so 9 minutes and it's peak is about 20 seconds in? If you're going to play for 10 minutes, I expect building tension, and Estranged is the only long Guns tune to fail that test (NR, Breakdown, Civil War, Coma all build up wonderfully).
Of course, if Estranged drifted away that'd be cool too, but it just flatlines energy wise. It's like overblown 80s hair-metal meets jam band.
And I dispute the claim that if released at the time NR was released it'd have done well. Sure, earlier release with fewer dolphins would've helped, but it would have never been what november rain was, and is.
Hmmm... interesting analysis. I think it finishes strong the last two minutes, ala all the epics.
I guess maybe cause it comes out of the gate strong, then lasts for 9 minutes, and closes strong, no it doesn't equal a build up, but it's a continous rockin' thang that's going on with it. Whereas a November Rain starts slow, and builds and builds. It goes nowhere... wow... I guess that's another opinion. I don't hear that at all, never have.
Axlin08 wrote:If Estranged would've been released BEFORE November Rain, it would've gotten the same fan fare. It's an amazing song. The problem was, casual audiences had OD'ed on the overindulgence of the Illusions by the time the Estranged came out, and it was kind of given the treatment of "one epic ballad too many". In the eyes of the casual audience, Don't Cry & Rain were enough.
I also think part of the problem is that Estranged's subject matter is much heavier and less easy for the general public to deal with. Like "Don't Cry" is a pretty straight forward love song, and "November Rain" while it has some dark undertones is a very easy song to emphaise with - a love lost etc - but "Estranged" is coming from a much darker place.
While there are no doubt countless people who have felt suicidal and can relate to the confusion and distress in those lyrics as well, there's also a ton of people who arn't emotionally sensitive enough or just arn't wired that way to really ever comprehend being in the kind of position the protaginist of Estranged is.
Which, I think in terms of being a hit to the masses makes it less popular.
It's a brilliant song overall, amazing lyrics, beautiful and haunting guitar passages. I love it. But I do see it as somewhat of an Art Piece - it's not for everyone. It's just not as accessable to the average listener as a more 'mainstream' song. Which doesn't make it bad at all, but it is a certain genre.
Probably right, and good points. I used to try to turn 'casual' Guns fans on to this song, without success, and quite a few would cite 'it's too depressing' as a complaint.
I've always wondered in a sense that the anti-grunge GN'R fans didn't like Estranged as much because it's too depressing, and yet grunge fans don't like the depressing Estranged, because it's too big and overblown in a grandiose rock epic fashion.
Re: GnREvolution Music Madness - Discussion and Results Thread
I think the great thing about "Estranged" to me, is that it's a song for both "happy" and "sad" moods.
You don't listen to "November Rain" in a good mood, you listen to it because it's an awesome track.
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Re: GnREvolution Music Madness - Discussion and Results Thread
Or another idea - which might be bad but it just poped into my head - would be like some kind of handicap for GNR tunes in the final round. Like they start from -5 or something.....to compensate for our GNR fandom...I dunno...
