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Re: Brain in Modern Drummer (May 2009)
Neemo wrote:^ I LITERALLY JUST DELETED IT 2 DAYS AGO
Blasphemy!!
Granted, its not the best Bucket song in the world, but it was really cool hearing that when we first heard about Shackler's Revenge.
yeah and i hadnt listened to it since i downloaded it 
I was cleaning up my mp3 library and that was one of the casualties, along with all the prealbum gnr leaks
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Re: Brain in Modern Drummer (May 2009)
Just thinking....as much as Axl as captin of the GNR ship has to take some credit/blame for the delays and expense...from this interview it seems like he had a bit of help....like brain talking about how he set up different versions of every drum and pedal...moved recording into a gothic space...seems his whole mindset was "we have budget lets go crazy". I'm just saying cos like often we get the idea as fans that the band members just want to do their thing and get it out and it's all axl being perfectionist....
Anyway...I totally love what we came out with anyway...so i'm not knocking it...just interested in hearing from him. I agree what he says about frank being closer to steven's groove too. That's why this new tour could be cool...frank of AFD songs...brain on CD....can't ask for more than that drummer wise at the moment.
Re: Brain in Modern Drummer (May 2009)
Just thinking....as much as Axl as captin of the GNR ship has to take some credit/blame for the delays and expense...from this interview it seems like he had a bit of help....like brain talking about how he set up different versions of every drum and pedal...moved recording into a gothic space...seems his whole mindset was "we have budget lets go crazy"..
Yeah, I don't think it can even be called into question that others took the project to the extreme as well. The whole thing was absurd, so why not take it to a new level? Great example of this is Buckethead with his chicken coop, dog shit, and porn. Obviously the guy doesn't live in those conditions, but since he could be excessive, why not?
As far as Axl's so called "perfectionism", that theory was thrown out the window the moment this album was released. Someone who considers 1999 vocals in 2009 as final is not a perfectionist.
I don't have much of a problem with the excessive nature of the project, but they went overboard with it and mountains were made out of way too many molehills.
The making of this album would have been so cool had they taken a slightly different approach.
In 2005 instead of Brain making jokes about doing it only for the money, Sp1at and other sites pulling shit out of thin air, Merck calling 2005 "the year of GNR"etc., we should have been getting these types of interviews from Brain, Stinson,etc.
A lot of the animosity between GNR and its core base occurred during the 2003-05 silent period.
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Re: Brain in Modern Drummer (May 2009)
Yeah, I don't think it can even be called into question that others took the project to the extreme as well. The whole thing was absurd, so why not take it to a new level? Great example of this is Buckethead with his chicken coop, dog shit, and porn. Obviously the guy doesn't live in those conditions, but since he could be excessive, why not?
Yeah and I guess as much as I was kinda bagging brain for it then, I guess that mostly comes from my lack of understanding about how different drum sounds are created. Like i'm a guitarist and even on my crappy home recordings and demos for my band, if i have a particualr idea of a sound in my head, it can be really challanging to try and make it go that way on the tape. So i can relate to how this must have been when on a massive scale like a real band like GNR, and when we're talking about albums that will become famous and live on after death etc (unlike my stuff that lives on my pc LOL). Anwyay so i guess to be honest...as much as i'm sort of knocking it....if i was playing on a GNR album....and I was told to do whatever was necessary...I'd have like a ton of different guitars, amps, pedals and whatever else on hand that would aid the process too!!!
I don't mean this to sound insulting to the band members..but it almost makes me wonder to what extent maybe sometimes people are almost taking advantage of Axl. Like clearly he's willing to do whatever is needed to make the record go to the level he wants. (Like he doesnt seem to give a fuck about budgets or timeframe or wierd requests). And while a lot of things would aid the process both technically (lots of instruments) and creatively (setting a mood)...when you hear about the project renting out a temple, and bucket building a chicken coop..I sometimes wonder if Axl's being taken for a ride.
Kinda reminds me of when I was a kid. My dad let me take some friends to the movie for my birthday. I was a fat kid, and to me part of the experience of being at the cinema was you get popcorn or candy or whatever. Anyway...my friends didn't have a lot of spending money, and I didn't want to be eating my popcorn in front of them, but I didn't wanna miss out, and so i talked my dad into buying stuff for everyone. But then i realised I didn't wanna make them have my choices, so rather than have him pick for them, somehow i talked him into giving them cash each so they could go get their popcorn or whatever. Anyway...my friends of course pocketed the cash from my dad..and didn't buy any food!! Only my stupidity to blame...and my dad for not being able to resist a smile and "pleassse" from his little kid But anyway...sometimes I think maybe it's like that. You know like i had an intent in giving them that money, it was for them to enjoy the experience of my birthday party...and they kinda abused it, and like with this album...they're spending a lot of money to set the mood and get the perfect sound, but some of the stories make me wonder if maybe they also lost focus of the goal behind the blank check....
As far as Axl's so called "perfectionism", that theory was thrown out the window the moment this album was released. Someone who considers 1999 vocals in 2009 as final is not a perfectionist.
Good point. Although personally I can't fault Axl's vocals in the final product...(oh well...actually I liked it in one of the leaks when the high part on TWAT was more prominant in the mix) but in general...I dunno to me it seems the challange with this band post Izzy/Slash loss has always been getting the music up to par with Axl's vocals and melodies, most of the changes always seem to be relating to guitar parts. I think they did it in the end though. I've realyl grown into CD. The more I listen to it the more I like it.
Re: Brain in Modern Drummer (May 2009)
For the record, I'm not bagging on his overall vocals. That IRS scream is insane and can match up with any of his screams in the discography. My point is that someone who lays down vocal tracks for an album that goes 10 years without a release and those initial vocals are still on the tracks, you're not a perfectionist.
Mega talented? Of course. Perfectionist? No way in hell.
Re: Brain in Modern Drummer (May 2009)
I think that's the issue that plauged CD. Axl approached it from a perfectionist slant, to make it perfect. Well it never was perfect (because no music is), and by the time he realized that, the album was a punchline, had been in production for over 10 years, and he'd still not found perfection.
I'm hoping with the next album he just let's it flow, and truely doesn't give a crap what happens. That's was music is, it's just fucking off in G, and sometimes it's really fuckin' good.
Re: Brain in Modern Drummer (May 2009)
I'm hoping with the next album he just let's it flow, and truely doesn't give a crap what happens. That's was music is, it's just fucking off in G, and sometimes it's really fuckin' good.
Yeah, just the let the damn thing flow. Record a song in two-takes. (like thats gonna happen). Just play with the shit and fuck off in the end. But the next album is just like this one...it's basically done. All of them. To get what you and I want they need to start making a new one. A brand new one.
Re: Brain in Modern Drummer (May 2009)
Coma wrote:theres another version of shacklers?
No, its an entirely different song years ago from Buckethead, not GNR. It was an obvious inspiration for the track even though it sounds quite different.
cant find it anywhere... if i get i will send you it but for now....
in wich record it was?
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Re: Brain in Modern Drummer (May 2009)
James Lofton wrote:Yeah, I don't think it can even be called into question that others took the project to the extreme as well. The whole thing was absurd, so why not take it to a new level? Great example of this is Buckethead with his chicken coop, dog shit, and porn. Obviously the guy doesn't live in those conditions, but since he could be excessive, why not?
Yeah and I guess as much as I was kinda bagging brain for it then, I guess that mostly comes from my lack of understanding about how different drum sounds are created. Like i'm a guitarist and even on my crappy home recordings and demos for my band, if i have a particualr idea of a sound in my head, it can be really challanging to try and make it go that way on the tape. So i can relate to how this must have been when on a massive scale like a real band like GNR, and when we're talking about albums that will become famous and live on after death etc (unlike my stuff that lives on my pc LOL). Anwyay so i guess to be honest...as much as i'm sort of knocking it....if i was playing on a GNR album....and I was told to do whatever was necessary...I'd have like a ton of different guitars, amps, pedals and whatever else on hand that would aid the process too!!!
I'm going to assume that being in a rock band is different, but as a sax player I have my set up and I like it that way. I wouldn't use different saxes on different songs just because I could. Although, if I had a massive budget I might rent a bunch for fun (then claim I used them in the recording process so I wouldn't get in trouble). Other than switching mouthpieces once or twice I'd keep the same set-up.
To make this remotely relevant to Guns I guess I'd say I like the same set-up to keep some flow and continuity within the album. Try to keep the tone of the album mostly the same. And ChiDem does struggle with staying cohesive as an album.
