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Re: Slash Basically Blaming Axl
Bottom line they were on totally seperate pages how they record, perform, want to write, want to conduct business, how they talk, etc. They're two totally opposite/different human beings, and I think that was a major contributing factors. And when Axl sees Slash continue to do things his way, which Axl has never seen eye-to-eye on, it further infuriates him, not because he's hung up on Slash, but to him, he thinks what it could be like with Slash compromising.
In Slash's eyes he compromised too much, so it becomes difficult to solve. I'm sure Axl wishes everyday that he was more of a passive, easy to get along with, not so emotional and sensative person. Seriously. I'm sure he knows that if he were like that, less things would've bothered him, and more than likely GN'R in at least the 1991 form, would still be here today.
But he's not. I think couple that with the fact you had a young, naive man who was thrust into the music business, became a rock god within a year, and by 1992 smacked of a man who was SEVERELY burnout of what he was doing.
The reason for the seven-year hiatus, some would argue it continues today, is that he needed that time to muster up the drive, self-determination, and mental stability (i'm not saying he's crazy, i'm saying emotional damage) to even do what they did in the 2000's.
The issue with Slash is one of the things that brings him down, not up. I don't think it takes much for the bullshit to really drag his drive down, and when you've got enough money to live the rest of your life comfortably on, it makes it even easier to just run/walk away, wait to build your interest back up, and do it again.
The problem then becomes building the audience's interest up again. The more he continues to conduct business and musical performing this way, the more and more he looses fans, not because of being an 'asshole, who shows up late', but because he doesn't ever do it with a consistency. That burns THE AUDIENCE out, and that's when you're really screwed.
It's like the hot girlfriend, that you're hopelessly in love with, and she loves you, but in her own way, and anytime you start to get serious and you start to make commitments and obligations to each other, you put your heart on your sleeve, she (Axl) gets cold feet. You then turn around, and say "why do I get close, just to get hurt all over again", and then you lose interest perminately.
Folks... that's the definition of the relationship between W. Axl Rose and his fans.
Re: Slash Basically Blaming Axl
if it was somethign that slash said or did, well he was using pretty heavy at the time, you would hope that there would be some kind of reconciliation possible if Slash was out of his mind in one of his actions
the thing in slash's book, the book never really says what went wrong, it was just a whole bunch of shit that Slash didnt want to deal with anymore..and then there was the obvious vehemence between Huge and Slash, and the apparent last straw of Axl bringing Huge to overdub Slash lead on Sympathy...anyway maybe there is a missing peice in there somewhere, but the way Slash portrayed the situation was that Axl had become impossible to work with or even talk to, all the while the rest of the band was killing themselves on booze and drugs while waiting for Axl to show..then Slash also alluded to Axl being behind the premature end of Snakepit 1 because he was ready to record the next guns album....only to have Slash return to LA and sit on his ass again....and then Axl gave Matt the ultimatum on either staying in LA with Guns or goin on tour with Slash...tell me that wont break up a freindship or band...picking sides. You gotta wonder if Gilby was given the same choice
either way you look at it Slash has enough grounds in his decision, but like the rest of you I'd like to know what Axl is so pissed about...you have to hope that it was somethign more serious than telling Axl off cuz i tell peopel off every day, doenst mean i never talk to them again. and based on some of the lyrics in CD one could assume that Axl is pissed that Slash left him holding the gnr mantle with nothing left but his name. it seems the majority of the people involved in the 90's gnr circus migrated to Slash's side of the fence
This is one thing i think IRS is about....Slash just left and that was that. if you look at the other guys they were either fired (Matt, Steven, Gilby) and then Axl has talked to them at least seemed to have patched up to some semblance of respect...Duff and Izzy left on their own terms and Axl isnt pissed at them, even said he'd consider working with them again..the only difference that i See is that Slash just said "fuck it" and left him holding his dick in his hand
Re: Slash Basically Blaming Axl
apparently i should not have said anything.
Now you're gettin' it. This is meant in the most constructive, nicest way possible, but no one whether on a message board or "in the world" is ever going to take you or anyone else for that matter seriously, when you drop little hand grenades, or allude to having some sort of inside knowledge, and you don't back it up with facts or statements. The burden of proof is not on us, it's on you, or Axl for that matter.
That's just the way the world works. Axl's the one the spews obvious venom, and tells his side of the story, but he always pulls back on the details. Axl is perfectly entitled to his opinion, and i'd be willing to hear his full side no matter how nasty and dirty, AND be willing to believe him.
But I don't even believe in Jesus Christ hopelessly. I'm certainly not going to with Axl Rose.
you guys can think whatever you want.
This is the major problem with people like you, or even "The Malibu Mafia". You sit back and you think that people just make stuff up out of thin air, which is absolutely untrue.
Everything on this board, and yes, even on most boards including the crappy ones, as well as spun-media rags, base their opinions, thoughts, and analysis on the history of GN'R & the Axl vs. Slash issue, on comments made by the bandmembers themselves.
When Slash, Duff, Izzy, Gilby, Matt & Steven all pretty much have the same story and solution, somewhere there was a massive misunderstanding if Axl WASN'T in the wrong. So all of these people are supposed to be liars, and Axl's telling the truth? I highly doubt it.
it's probably more fun for you that way anyway. regardless, i believe in axl.
Nah, not really. What's un-fun about the whole ordeal is when Axl drops his little hand grenade in the room, and runs like a little pussy. If you're gonna talk shit about Slash, a man who helped MAKE HIM WHAT HE IS TODAY, you know that guy, and you don't provide details and facts to give yourself credibility.
You're missing the bigger picture. The world is PERFECTLY willing to believe Axl, if he'd just give them a reason to. But he doesn't back anything up.
We didn't start this. Axl & Slash did. We're simply bystanders, trying to piece together the information for historical purposes, and to try and understand what happened, but Axl & Slash act like fuckin' 5 year olds. Both of them.
If Slash says something, Axl's only defense is he's a liar and then Axl says stuff like you just don't know what he's really like, but provides nothing to back up his statement, then it gets back to Slash, and Slash is like "whatever man".
Are we in high school? The most level-headed people in this whole ordeal have been the fucking fans.
Re: Slash Basically Blaming Axl
i understand everything you're saying. just trust me that you only know like 10% of everything. that's all i knew until recently as well.
sorry if i don't like to get into big discussions or debates about this stuff. i realize that's the whole point of these forums....
i don't really know why i'm here...
but i do like neemo's battle of the tunes!!!!!!!! 
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Re: Slash Basically Blaming Axl
Axl used to hold up 60,000 fans at gigs to rant away about various subjects. This was part of mesmerizing appeal. Why can't he do it now?
Why would he stay quiet when all around him now believe HE is the major catalyst for the situation the fans are left with today?
Axl is staying quiet because there is nothing to say. The rest of the band are still hanging with Slash because he isn't that nasty. Until Axl himself tells me otherwise illustrating his point with dates and times, I'm holding that opinion.
Re: Slash Basically Blaming Axl
i understand everything you're saying. just trust me that you only know like 10% of everything. that's all i knew until recently as well.
sorry if i don't like to get into big discussions or debates about this stuff. i realize that's the whole point of these forums....
i don't really know why i'm here...
but i do like neemo's battle of the tunes!!!!!!!!
Here you go again...dropping hints and then saying nothing.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say you know no more than 10% of what really happened. This whole Axl vs Slash thing is far more mythical than CD ever was, and look at all the BS that came out about that.
You believe what you were told because you want to believe what you were told. That doesn't make it true. I believe you were told something. I believe you think what you were told is the truth and that whoever told you believes it to be the truth. I don't believe (I don't even need to hear it considering the source) that what you heard is any more the truth than what is already out there. Anything that blames one individual (Axl or Slash) is already proven to be wrong.
The band didn't side with Slash because he did something so horrible to Axl. Slash didn't accept some responsibility for the breakup just to be a nice guy. Axl likely believes his version of events. Slash likely believes his, yet neither are likely accurate. Until Axl can actually come out and prove something, I have no choice but to believe he's got nothing. For someone filled with such hatred, why hasn't he gotten into the specifics of what happened? He's not shy about saying bad things about Slash, so why stop short of giving ANY details at all?
