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Re: Marilyn Manson's The High End of Low
Now these are tracks with (do I have to call him Twiggy again?) Jeordie White writing and recording with him, right?
The quality of Manson's music has always been about if Chris Vrenna or Jeordie White were there to do it for him, until the vocals - which are inevitably bad.
Re: Marilyn Manson's The High End of Low
It took me about 20 seconds to realize it's typical MM stuff. Nothing orignal, he never has been. The guy doesn't have an original nor creative bone in his body. Musically, it's there, and what you'd expect. Fairly solid studio work done, but that's it's problem. It's generic generic goth rock or whatever. All nice and marketable, even wrapped in a nice plastic shrinkwrap for ya, all ready to go & be scared.
He's always been fake, a kids version of bands who did it before him. You want what he tries to be, listento Ministry's Just One Fix
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Re: Marilyn Manson's The High End of Low
Am i the only one who think's MM is just a more modern version of Alice Cooper's act? I enjoy the occasional song for what it is. But it's always sounded like NIN mixed with Alice's old shock tactics to me.
Re: Marilyn Manson's The High End of Low
Personally, I think Rob Zombie is more of a modern version of Alice Cooper, but that's my opinion (and I respect others opinions if they disagree with me). As for the new MM singles, I really hate "The Wow" but the "Arma... geddon" single is starting to grow on me so to speak (the more I listen to it, and hear it on our local radio)... I hope the album has other, better tracks on it though. I believe that they chose the wrong track to be the first single. Again, in my opinion...
Re: Marilyn Manson's The High End of Low
I agree with justbill. I think Zombie is really the one who carried the Cooper torch, and "got it".
Coop has said time and again, it's about a 'good song'. It's about the music. That he sees this acts with all this great stage prescence and flash, but cruddy music. It may just be me, but i've always thought he MAY have been referring to Manson.
Zombie is the one who did do the image, and even vocally sounds like Coop, but Zombie also understood making good, original songs, which he accomplished on many occasions.
I don't really hate Marilyn Manson, he's got a couple good songs, but he is so manufactured and commercial to a certain audience (whether they know it or not) that his image, comes across more as 'schtick' then it does image. I think Manson fails on both accounts. He didn't carry on the Alice Cooper legacy because his act is too commercial and unoriginal, and he didn't carry on even the KISS legacy, because even though KISS was massively commercial, KISS has a vast catalog spanning three decades of good, memorable rock n' roll songs, and Manson hasn't even come close musically in presentation (because we all know KISS isn't exactly Bob Dylan, they're just fun rockers), because in the first 15 years of Manson's career, I can only remember one song he did - Beautiful People.
Re: Marilyn Manson's The High End of Low
his image, comes across more as 'schtick' then it does image.
That is a pretty perfect way to put it.
I saw Manson 10-ish years ago, the tickets were free, I've never been a fan, so I wouldn't have paid. The theatrics and things were interesting.
There came a point where he says "I saw some people outside who didn't want this show to happen tonight." It was obviously a "cheap pop" moment of the show most nights, but this night didn't get a response at all.
I talked to one of those people, he gave me a slice of pizza and a can of pop, then told me "We wanted to say we don't agree with Manson, but we don't want you guys to think religious people are jerks either." I'm completely agnostic and incredibly socially liberal, but that night I (and based on the response of the crowd, most people) left siding with the religious people.
Also, the show ended abruptly when Manson Stormed Axl Rose hissy fit style because one of the roadies had put a smilie face over his precious "antichrist logo" (and how much more schtick can you get than an antichrist logo), and he flipped when he saw it. Didn't bother me, I was ready to go anyway, and evidently so was everyone else.
Also, I saw Rob Zombie about 5 years ago, and during his set the guy standing next to me leaned over to me and said, "I think Iron Maiden must have had a garage sale, because I think I saw all this same stuff when I saw them in 83."
Re: Marilyn Manson's The High End of Low
Also, I saw Rob Zombie about 5 years ago, and during his set the guy standing next to me leaned over to me and said, "I think Iron Maiden must have had a garage sale, because I think I saw all this same stuff when I saw them in 83."
That's a pretty funny incident.
Re: Marilyn Manson's The High End of Low
Thanks for posting that link. I dig it. 
James, you should reserve your vitriol till after you actually hear the music sometimes. No offense, but you seem to sometimes take these wild emotional leaps from one post to the next. 
As for Manson's lyrics, if one were to listen beyond the band's singles and their uses of the dreaded f-word, Manson's strongest abilities are in his role as a lyricist. He frequently uses clever double entendres and neologisms in both his songwriting and otherwise. Seek it out. I once wrote a philosophy thesis about the artistic associations within Manson's work. Aced that motherfucker.
