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Re: Faith No More Reunion CONFIRMED
jim martin was a vital piece in what is universally agreed upon as their creative "peak".... i know it sounds a little "bring back slash"... but i'm not nearly as stoked about it as i would be if martin were involved.. it's a cash grab with an anonymous guitar player IMO...
Commercial peak, absolutely. But I would say the albums after he left were much more "creative".
Re: Faith No More Reunion CONFIRMED
tylerdurden wrote:jim martin was a vital piece in what is universally agreed upon as their creative "peak".... i know it sounds a little "bring back slash"... but i'm not nearly as stoked about it as i would be if martin were involved.. it's a cash grab with an anonymous guitar player IMO...
Commercial peak, absolutely. But I would say the albums after he left were much more "creative".
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Everyone knows Jim had very little to do with Angel Dust. Almost all interviews about say his only real writing contribution was Jizzlobber, which is a good song, but from what I can tell he didn't like the album. If I could choose any guitarist, I'd choose him for FNM, but only if he was totally willing to play AOTY and KFAD, which I doubt he would do.
Re: Faith No More Reunion CONFIRMED
Everyone knows Jim had very little to do with Angel Dust. Almost all interviews about say his only real writing contribution was Jizzlobber, which is a good song, but from what I can tell he didn't like the album.
I'm not a FNM nutswinger, but that argument falls a bit flat to me. I know you like Down on the Upside, but do you consider Thayil irrelevant to that record even though his only true contribution to the record was 'Never the Machine Forever'?
Obviously Thayil was being pushed aside(and I assume Martin was as well), but its not really fair to basically consider him irrelevant at that point.
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Communist China wrote:Everyone knows Jim had very little to do with Angel Dust. Almost all interviews about say his only real writing contribution was Jizzlobber, which is a good song, but from what I can tell he didn't like the album.
I'm not a FNM nutswinger, but that argument falls a bit flat to me. I know you like Down on the Upside, but do you consider Thayil irrelevant to that record even though his only true contribution to the record was 'Never the Machine Forever'?
Obviously Thayil was being pushed aside(and I assume Martin was as well), but its not really fair to basically consider him irrelevant at that point.
Martin wasn't irrelevant to the album, but there's not a ton of guitars on it, and he didn't seem to like it very much. He spent a lot of time bitching about it when they were doing promo for it.
Your point about him being pushed aside might be valid, but FNM as a whole was pretty volatile for their enrire career.
And I'll echo exacty what CC said earlier, I'd love to see it be Martin, but not at the expense of not hearing anything from those later albums.
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i think it's his unique playing ( unique as far as FNM guitarists go) that sells TRT and AD for me.... that thrashy snapping guitar with some sack...
i'm sure he wanted a more metallic sound for that record like the sound on TRT... but he ended up losing the war to patton's vision(s)... the other guys knew patton was the meal ticket in the band and didn't wanna alienate him... so out went martin... and in walked patton's boy from mr bungle...the real thing was written (at least musically) before patton came on board.. you can see the huge difference stylistically on AD because of patton's influence... but there's no doubt that him and martin clashed when it came to how they wanted the band to sound... jim liked it old school... any fan of mike knows that he likes to "experiment"...in fact.. if you pay attention to some of the lyrics on AD ... you can tell some of them are aimed at martin....but you have trey spruance or jon hudson playing guitar on those records... and the magic of them disappears.. there i go.. rambling again.... i don't even know why i care.. they ain't playing in the states anyway...
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I'll agree that KFAD and AOTY are much more generic in their guitar sounds than previous FNM. But the band overall had hit its creative peak and was bound to decline at least a bit. And their decline was only in creativity, not in quality. Those post-Martin albums are largely carried by Patton, whose vocals just seemed to get better and better (TRT was good, but then listen to KFAD with Last to Know and Just a Man especially).
I saw my girlfriend's cellphone background yesterday, and it was a fortune cookie fortune that read "You are headed for the land of sunshine" and it made my day.
Re: Faith No More Reunion CONFIRMED
i think it's his unique playing ( unique as far as FNM guitarists go) that sells TRT and AD for me.... that thrashy snapping guitar with some sack...
i'm sure he wanted a more metallic sound for that record like the sound on TRT... but he ended up losing the war to patton's vision(s)... the other guys knew patton was the meal ticket in the band and didn't wanna alienate him... so out went martin... and in walked patton's boy from mr bungle...the real thing was written (at least musically) before patton came on board.. you can see the huge difference stylistically on AD because of patton's influence... but there's no doubt that him and martin clashed when it came to how they wanted the band to sound... jim liked it old school... any fan of mike knows that he likes to "experiment"...in fact.. if you pay attention to some of the lyrics on AD ... you can tell some of them are aimed at martin....but you have trey spruance or jon hudson playing guitar on those records... and the magic of them disappears.. there i go.. rambling again.... i don't even know why i care.. they ain't playing in the states anyway...
That experimenting that you talked about is exactly what I meant when I said that the later albums are more creative. I look at the experimentation as being more creative than keeping it old school.
I have Jim Martin's solo album, because I was looking for an FNM-ish sound but heavier. There ain't a lot of creativity there. It's not bad I guess, but it ain't real good either.
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by no means am i saying that jim martin is even in the same league as patton....
he's not exactly a brilliant or gifted musician... and i agree that they took more chances after he left....shit... i've never even HEARD martin's solo album.. and i can guess what it sounds like....
i think that FNM brought out the best in him.. even if he didn't care for some of the music.. the music he made with them was, IMO the best they made.. he was also just as important as anyone in creating what i believe to be their signature sound... without him... FNM sounded like any other patton project
..and CC...
that fortune cookie would've made my MONTH
