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Re: Grammy Awards.
Katy Perry is pop crap. Nothing groundbreaking at all. She's pretty hot, but her music is bland and lyrics are even worse. She sure has been marketed well though because every single she's released does well on the radio, they have in Australia anyway.
Re: Grammy Awards.
Now it's about the package more than ever. The best music back in the day was popular. It's not anymore. Look back through the decades. The best music or a huge amount of the best music was always the most popular music. That changed in the mid-late 90's. That was the era where we stopped getting mass appeal classic albums.
Do you know what that 'change' is perfectly timed with? The 'downloading free mp3s' era. That's when labels were truly unable to no longer gauge the interest in their artists. In 2008, you could have the top selling album with 3 million copies. 15 years ago, you could do it with 15-20 million. That's a huge difference. While some 12 year old girl will have mommy buy her the latest Miley Cyrus album at Wal Mart, that album isn't even registering as a blip on the torrent sites, while albums like Kala are still in the top downloaded albums on virtually every torrent almost 2 years after its release.
Now tell me which of those two albums truly had staying power.
Its a crap shoot for the labels and music fans. Both sides of the fence basically play a guessing game on what's popular, and so does the media. To make things even worse, every artist gets pigeon holed into various sub genres.
Let's use Santogold as an example. She's basically Pat Benatar on crack. This album should be flying off shelves, at least from people in love with early 80's rock/new wave. She does very few interviews, but when she does, she brings up the frustration regarding her situation. She once said, "a black girl doing rock...hmm, where does that go"? I'll tell ya where it goes. It gets buried while people listen to Katy Perry and that Rockferry chick.
There will never be another classic album sitting at number one on the charts for a year or two again. The media, public, and fans can no longer get on the same page and collectively decide what is and isn't great. The greatest album in history is probably languishing on an obscure torrent with 3 leachers and no seeders, and more importantly, no album sales or record company backing.
This is plaguing Hollywood as well. It took that industry 4 years to realize that Lindsey Lohan isn't really a movie star. She's a fabricated media star that a few bloggers like to bitch about. After many movie flops, a CD flop, and magazines having a 50% drop in sales when she was featured on covers, they finally figured it out.
They wasted tens of millions propping her up. Can you imagine all the unknown talent that was passed up during that time frame? It's a frightening thought that the next Jodie Foster, Natalie Portman,etc. languished in obscurity and possibly gave up on a film career so this airhead no one cares about could buy more cocaine.
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People still buy albums dude. 3 million soccer moms are not banging out to Lil Wayne's Tha Carter III. Last time I checked the top selling albums are still albums by artists that the youth are into. Not everyone downloads just because they can. I think 80's and most 90's pop music is shit. The same kind of shit that is on the radio today but times have changed. I bet you think some of it was good when you were young. There is good music out there it is just a little harder to find. The spotlight for music itself was shrunk from when you were younger too. With not as much album and single sales this is going to make for a smaller choice of the real mainstream so whoever has the catchiest hooks and bullshit will take the cake.
Re: Grammy Awards.
Do you know what that 'change' is perfectly timed with? The 'downloading free mp3s' era. That's when labels were truly unable to no longer gauge the interest in their artists.
I wouldnt' agree 100% with this, because imho it all fell apart with "Hit Me Baby One more Time" which was in 1999, & while Napster was around, I don't think much new music was being downloaded. Even if it was, new music was basically Korn, Limp Bizkit Papa Roach etc, so we weren't missing much.
There were cheezy pop songs before, but they were hidden among real, good music (90's rock). 80's were pretty bad though, remember Frankie goes to Hollywood.
Anyone remember this 90's annoying hit pop song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nExPFCmDk8U
I reckon I kinda liked this one though it was wayyy overplayed:
Re: Grammy Awards.
Wow, as a 6th grader in 1985 was I supposed to know how overtly gay Frankie Goes to Hollywoods "Relax" was?? 
Re: Grammy Awards.
Von wrote:Kids need music to listen to just like us. The more cynical people get about pop music, the older and sadder they seem. Just roll with it.
The thing about that though is when I was a kid the top bands were Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Radiohead, Oasis, Guns N' Roses, U2, Metallica, Smashing Pumpkins, Soul Asylum(huge for a short stretch), Counting Crows(like SA), Offspring, etc etc. They were always more popular than the crap manufactured stuff. We had bands that were easily recognizable as instant classics where as the last ten years have produced NO top 40 classic bands. What will kids look back on 10-15 years from now? Nickleback? Maybe Coldplay? Theres really nothing. Music has changed and even though I get what you're saying Von it just doesn't add up cause the music is such an after thought compared to what it used to be. Now it's about the package more than ever. The best music back in the day was popular. It's not anymore. Look back through the decades. The best music or a huge amount of the best music was always the most popular music. That changed in the mid-late 90's. That was the era where we stopped getting mass appeal classic albums.
There are very few bands that could possibly have any real staying power years from now. Off the top of my head, the only more recent band that I could see having a following a decade from now is Avenged Sevenfold. Whether you like to admit it or not, that band is very popular and they are also very talented musicians.
I almost don't even like going to concerts anymore because of the opening bands. They are usually just loads of shit. Last night I went to a A7X/Buckcherry concert, and the two opening bands were Papa Roach and Saving Abel, and both bands sounded so much a like. The only real way you could tell them apart was by how much Papa Roach swears and how they look.
There have been very few concerts that I have been to where the opening bands were really good or stood out. One was the VR concert where AIC opened for them. Then probably the only other one was the STP concert where Black Rebel Motorcycle Club opened.
Re: Grammy Awards.
James Lofton wrote:Do you know what that 'change' is perfectly timed with? The 'downloading free mp3s' era. That's when labels were truly unable to no longer gauge the interest in their artists.
I wouldnt' agree 100% with this, because imho it all fell apart with "Hit Me Baby One more Time" which was in 1999, & while Napster was around, I don't think much new music was being downloaded. Even if it was, new music was basically Korn, Limp Bizkit Papa Roach etc, so we weren't missing much.
There were cheezy pop songs before, but they were hidden among real, good music (90's rock). 80's were pretty bad though, remember Frankie goes to Hollywood.
Anyone remember this 90's annoying hit pop song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nExPFCmDk8U
I reckon I kinda liked this one though it was wayyy overplayed:
Thanks for playing Torn. Really... I was hoping to go the rest of my life, never hearing that fucking song ever AGAIN.
Wow, as a 6th grader in 1985 was I supposed to know how overtly gay Frankie Goes to Hollywoods "Relax" was??
To think, there's an 8-minute version of that song out there.
