2008 NFL season

NY Giants82

Neemo wrote:

I wouldnt consider favre being better than mcnabb at this stage in their careers....
Pat's Offensive coordinator was hired as the coach of Denver..that sucks i liked him

Check... One less place for Spagnuolo to go to!:P

Neemo

yeah its weird cuz the bbronco's D sucks so bad you figure they woulda went with a defensive minded guy...

Broncos hire Pats coordinator McDaniels as coach
By PAT GRAHAM, AP Sports Writer
2 hours, 48 minutes ago
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP)—The man who ran the New England Patriots’ high-scoring offense is taking over as coach of the Denver Broncos, charged with revitalizing a team that failed to make the playoffs the past three seasons.
Josh McDaniels, the Patriots’ 32-year-old offensive coordinator, agreed to a four-year deal to replace Mike Shanahan, who was fired Dec. 30 after 14 seasons with a 146-91 record.
McDaniels will be introduced at a news conference at team headquarters Monday night in Denver, which was hit by an overnight snowstorm.
He’ll take over an already potent offense, led by quarterback Jay Cutler and receivers Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal, that’s looking to return the Broncos to prominence. Shanahan, known as “The Mastermind” for his creativity on offense, won two Super Bowls in his first four seasons but won just one playoff game in the decade since John Elway retired.
McDaniels’ credentials include guiding the record-setting offense that led New England to 18 straight victories last season before a stunning loss to the New York Giants in the Super Bowl. That team scored an NFL-record 75 touchdowns and 589 points.
McDaniels is known for his creative play calling and game plans—just as Shanahan was when he took over the team in 1995 at the age of 42.
Denver went 8-8 this season and became the first team in NFL history to blow a three-game divisional lead with three weeks left. Shanahan was fired 48 hours later, with three years and $21 million left on his contract.
McDaniels’ stock soared with the Patriots, where he quickly ascended from personnel assistant in the scouting department to offensive coordinator for Bill Belichick.
Last season, under McDaniels’ tutelage, Tom Brady threw for a record 50 touchdowns, and the coach drew even more praise this past season when the Patriots lost Brady to a knee injury in the opener and Matt Cassel—a quarterback who hadn’t started a game since high school—came on to lead the Patriots to an 11-5 record.
While McDaniels inherits a high-octane offense, he’ll also be receiving a dismal defense in need of yet another overhaul. That’s why it was believed a defensive mind might have had the inside track to the job, someone like the New York Giants’ Steve Spagnuolo or Minnesota’s Leslie Frazier.
The other candidates for Shanahan’s job were Raheem Morris of Tampa Bay, Rick Dennison of Denver, Jason Garrett of Dallas and Todd Bowles of Miami.
The new coach won’t have as much power as Shanahan, who had final authority on just about everything as vice president of football operations. Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said he’ll begin searching for a general manager after he hires his coach.
Broncos receiver Brandon Stokley was simultaneously watching an episode of “The Wire” on his DVD player and ESPN when the news scrolled across the bottom of his television Sunday night.
He’s a bit shocked the Broncos suddenly have a new coach. He figured it would be later this week—at the earliest.
“It’s going to be interesting to see what happens,” Stokley said. “I hope we can keep some of our offensive coaches and keep the continuity that we built last year.”
AP Sports Writer Arnie Stapleton contributed to this report.

NY Giants82

From everything I have read, the Broncos owner wanted an offensive minded coach. Thats what they liked about Shanahan. But yeah, I can see your point. Their defense was piss poor.

PaSnow

NY Giants82 wrote:

PaSnow wrote:
James Lofton wrote:
Warner
Here's an interesting question, if Warner wins another Super Bowl, is he a Hall of Famer?

(3 Super Bowls victories)
He only has one right now, they lost the second to the Pats.
I tell ya what though, I dont really think he is a hall of fame player, a very good one, but not hall of fame. But it would be nearly impossible to keep him out if he wins another. I think I read where only Jim Plunkett is the only QB with multiple Super Bowl wins to not be in the HOF.

Oh, I guess I thought he'd won 2, but you're right. They lost when Brady won his first, right?!

Anyway, no I don't think he'd be HOF. With 3 it'd sure make it interesting. With 2, then no.

NY Giants82

Two still makes for an interesting conversation. Like I said, only 1 QB with multiple SB victories isnt in the HOF. But to me it seemed like he had a couple of excellent seasons with the Rams and then this year. I dont know if he's done it consistently enough.

Neemo

but peyton manning is a shoo-in even though his post season sucess is piss poor? thats fucked up..or marino for that matter?

see in Hockey if you are a clutch player when it counts then you still get recognition....which is better IMO.....the guys who can stand up under pressure, imo, are more valuable than the guys who can perform when it doesnt mean anything...cuz at the end of the day the playoffs is a whole new season

PaSnow

Peyton & Marino absolutely belong in the HOF. Warner probably wouldn't at the end of his career. Career stats is huge. Look at Barry Sanders, one of if not the best RB ever!! Yet I'm not sure he ever won a playoff game. Yet if Terrell Davis ever gets in it will be mostly for his SB win instead of his short lived career & stats. Tim Brown & Chris Carter were some of the best WR's to play, top 10 probably, but without a SB I'm not sure either will get in (I don't think either is). Yet Michael Irvin, with probably lesser career stats might get in over them. Is that how it should be?

slashsfro

Kurt Warner to me is a real interesting HOF possibility. In 1999 and 2001 he had 2 great years throwing for 4,000+ yards and leading the Rams to two super Bowls winning one in 1999 against Tennessee.:flame: He had an average year in 2000. However from 2002-2004 he played in only 19 games due to injuries and ineffectiveness. 2004 he got replaced by Eli Manning halfway through the year. From 2005-2006 he signed with Arizona and played in half their games. Now from 2007 onward he has thrown for 57tds 31ints surpassing 3,000 yds in each year. During this past year Kurt threw for 4,583 yds and 30tds.

Now IF he wins the Super Bowl, he will be a two time winner with two different teams. The only guy that isn't in is Jim Plunkett who won two with the Raiders. His stats are far worse than Warner's 164td 198int vs 182td 114int for Warner.
Actually looking at the stats a little closer, Warner's 2000 season was injury filled as he missed 5 games yet he averaged 9.9yds per completion the highest of his career and also averaged 311yds per game--again the highest of his career. If I recall the Rams D sucked ass that year, I think they ended up losing a playoff game that year. That year the Rams scored 40 points 6 out of 11 games started. I would qualify this as a good year for Warner--the stats are a bit misleading as he struggled against Carolina during Week 14. Here his line for that game:

18 36 50.0 189 5.3 0 4 2 10 26.0

Note the 26.0 is the quarterback rating. 2= no of times sacked and 10=sack yards.

So in retrospect, Kurt Warner has started from 1999. In 1999-2001 he had great years--winning the NFL mvp twice (1999 and 2001). He also has a Super Bowl MVP (1999):flame:. From 2002-2006 for a myriad of reasons he struggled before finding a career renassiance from 2007 onward. That's 5 good years out of 10 including 3 great years. He also has a variety of numbers and awards to back him up. I think if he wins the Super Bowl he'll get in. If not it may be a borderline case.

NY Giants82

Yeah I agree. I think right now, at best, it is border line. For a couple of years he played out of this world, then the concussion issues started and was never the same in St Louis, or his short stint with the Giants. This year he really played at a high level. So if they win the Super Bowl, he gets strong consideration.

Communist China

I'd put Warner in the Hall of Fame, his stats are great, he has an MVP and 2 SB appearances so far, and the teams he's had success with were jokes before he joined them.

James in your 5 QBs that are better than McNabb you forgot the best QB in the NFL - Philip Rivers! I don't understand how so many people are overlooking his amazing year and generally great young career. McNabb is a very good player though, for a guy to win games throwing the ball 30-40 times to essentially nobody receivers for nearly a decade is quite an achievement.

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