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Re: Axl = Rock God #11
I don't get the Cobain love either. I like his songs, but if a generation was defined by the content of his music and the three years they were popular, I don't know what to think of that generation. Especially because no one in that generation knows a goddamn word he said in Smells Like Teen Spirit because the lyrics were inaudible. Then again, most of the shit from after about '92 makes me cringe. I really liked a few Green Day albums and Offspring's Smash, but that's about it. It's no wonder music today sucks since so many artists were influenced by that crap.
Re: Axl = Rock God #11
Bon Jovi is huge. U2/Metallica huge.. nobody should try to deny that. And they do write some pretty good songs, like them or hate them. Better than bands like Nickelback. Anyway, I do have to agree with Russtcb, Grunge did affect BJ. The album with Bed of Roses (can't recall the name) was a moderate hit. But nowhere near the smash that he was in the 80's. BJ was as big as GnR, just his fanbase was about all girls. He was basically a Rock Miley Cyrus, N Sync. Don't get me wrong, they were a legit band, but I'm speaking in terms of POPULARITY he was as big as they were. Slippery When Wet was as common as Hannah Montana, I recall girls in high school wearing those t-shirts endlessly. However, when the 92 album came out, Kurt Cobain, Eddie Vedder et al owned the music world. The album was successful, I'd compare it to the latest Weezer album in terms of popularity & media impression. I don't know how good the album was, haven't heard it really, but anyway chicks had by then clinged to U2's Achtung Baby, Pearl Jam, & REM. Bon Jovi was pushed aside a little bit. Ask DTJ, she'd probably tell you, he was nowhere near as popular as he was. Having said that, he went away thru the 90's. Did a wierd unheard of indie movie that NOBODY heard of, then in 2000 or whatever had a COMEBACK with These Days & a pretty good song in It's my Life. He didn't fall off the face of the earth like Poison & Warrant, but he wasn't immensly succesful either, I'd say he treaded water thru grunge.
Kurt Cobain ABSOLUTELY belongs on this list. You may not like his music, you may not think he's talented, but with one stomp of the distortion pedal in Teen Spirit he changed music forever. And he was the most popular & recognized figure during the height of grunge. People mothers even knew who he was. As for only being around a couple years, so was Hendrix. Though had he lived he still would have been remembered as the face of grunge.
Someone asked earlier which bands from the 80's could have survived grunge. I think GnR could have had a solid record in 94/95. Black Crowes is a band I wish remained more popular. Southern Harmony was a better album than they received credit for. Tesla, should have survived, not sure they put an album out or if it was good. Cinderella had a more rock oriented record in 1990, which I recall was pretty good & not as much hair metal. it was a little too little to late. Bands like Spin Doctors & Blues Travelers took their place.
Re: Axl = Rock God #11
I fuckin' hate Bon Jovi, I fuckin' hate Bon Jovi's music, and I fuckin' hate everything they stand for.... but I won't deny that they are fuckin' money - in - the - bank.
You can't deny that those guys have been U2 successful, and ALOT of people don't want to admit to that.
U see, i love Bon Jovi because they are who they are. They aren't trying to catch the next wave, they aren't trying to chase trends, they aren't out there with rappers on stage or trying to be Trent Reznor.
They know what they are, what they do well and what their fans like and they give it to them. Jon realized a long time ago they would never be critically loved, so he decided fuck it, lets do what we want to do and say the hell with the critic.
If you buy a Bon Jovi album, u are gonna get those 3 or 4 hooky hit type songs, but they do have songs that aren't cheesy and formulatic.
also in concert, u will always get more than your money's worth every single time.
It is like a restaurant in some ways. so and so may have the greatest food u ever tasted BUT if they constantly fuck up your order, bring it to u cold, u find a hair in it, get extremely shit service, chances are, u aren't gonna frequent that place very often no matter how great it is.
on the other hand, if u have a place that maybe isn't quite as tasty as that restaurant BUT the service is amazing, the food is still great and u never have any order mixups or problems, chances are, u will come back again and again and again.
grunge had no effect on Bon Jovi.
If u ever listened to These Days, it was Bon Jovi's introspective
"DARK" album and it was their least mainstream record for a reason. the songs are dark and gloomy and not the BJ you are use to therefore it didn't cross over as well. grunge had nothing to do with it.
Also,Destination Anywhere is no where near "Grunge" it is more Bruce Springsteen than grunge and it is a "solo" album so it doesn't matter. If Jon had promoted it as "Bon Jovi" than yeah, there would be some problems.
Re: Axl = Rock God #11
Bon Jovi is huge. U2/Metallica huge.. nobody should try to deny that. And they do write some pretty good songs, like them or hate them. Better than bands like Nickelback. Anyway, I do have to agree with Russtcb, Grunge did affect BJ. The album with Bed of Roses (can't recall the name) was a moderate hit. But nowhere near the smash that he was in the 80's. BJ was as big as GnR, just his fanbase was about all girls. He was basically a Rock Miley Cyrus, N Sync. Don't get me wrong, they were a legit band, but I'm speaking in terms of POPULARITY he was as big as they were. Slippery When Wet was as common as Hannah Montana, I recall girls in high school wearing those t-shirts endlessly. However, when the 92 album came out, Kurt Cobain, Eddie Vedder et al owned the music world. The album was successful, I'd compare it to the latest Weezer album in terms of popularity & media impression. I don't know how good the album was, haven't heard it really, but anyway chicks had by then clinged to U2's Achtung Baby, Pearl Jam, & REM. Bon Jovi was pushed aside a little bit. Ask DTJ, she'd probably tell you, he was nowhere near as popular as he was. Having said that, he went away thru the 90's. Did a wierd unheard of indie movie that NOBODY heard of, then in 2000 or whatever had a COMEBACK with These Days & a pretty good song in It's my Life. He didn't fall off the face of the earth like Poison & Warrant, but he wasn't immensly succesful either, I'd say he treaded water thru grunge.
Kurt Cobain ABSOLUTELY belongs on this list. You may not like his music, you may not think he's talented, but with one stomp of the distortion pedal in Teen Spirit he changed music forever. And he was the most popular & recognized figure during the height of grunge. People mothers even knew who he was. As for only being around a couple years, so was Hendrix. Though had he lived he still would have been remembered as the face of grunge.
Someone asked earlier which bands from the 80's could have survived grunge. I think GnR could have had a solid record in 94/95. Black Crowes is a band I wish remained more popular. Southern Harmony was a better album than they received credit for. Tesla, should have survived, not sure they put an album out or if it was good. Cinderella had a more rock oriented record in 1990, which I recall was pretty good & not as much hair metal. it was a little too little to late. Bands like Spin Doctors & Blues Travelers took their place.
If u call selling near 50 million copies worldwide of your new albums treading water, Id sure hate to see what you would all a band that is drowning.
they consistently had the top tours and albums even through the grunge years. the 92 album with Bed of Roses sold 3 million in the US. sure it was a drop from Slippery and New Jersey and grunge of course had some effect, but they did more than tread water.
I hate the whole they are hannah montana N Sync
why?
cause Bon Jovi have been a successful band for 24 going on 25 years now. The other shit u mentioned are trends, 3-5 year phenomenons.
Hell the Backstreet Boys barely even go gold now.
U don't have a 25 year career by accident. U can fake it and fool the fans for a few years, but if u didn't have talent and werent a great band, u wouldn't last 25 years.
Re: Axl = Rock God #11
I made the analogy purely in regards to popularity. Bon Jovi in the late 80's were bigger than anything rock there is today. Coldplay couldn't hold a candle to how big they were in the 80's. So there were no other acts to compare them to as to how popular they were.
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Re: Axl = Rock God #11
PaSnow wrote:Bon Jovi is huge. U2/Metallica huge.. nobody should try to deny that. And they do write some pretty good songs, like them or hate them. Better than bands like Nickelback. Anyway, I do have to agree with Russtcb, Grunge did affect BJ. The album with Bed of Roses (can't recall the name) was a moderate hit. But nowhere near the smash that he was in the 80's. BJ was as big as GnR, just his fanbase was about all girls. He was basically a Rock Miley Cyrus, N Sync. Don't get me wrong, they were a legit band, but I'm speaking in terms of POPULARITY he was as big as they were. Slippery When Wet was as common as Hannah Montana, I recall girls in high school wearing those t-shirts endlessly. However, when the 92 album came out, Kurt Cobain, Eddie Vedder et al owned the music world. The album was successful, I'd compare it to the latest Weezer album in terms of popularity & media impression. I don't know how good the album was, haven't heard it really, but anyway chicks had by then clinged to U2's Achtung Baby, Pearl Jam, & REM. Bon Jovi was pushed aside a little bit. Ask DTJ, she'd probably tell you, he was nowhere near as popular as he was. Having said that, he went away thru the 90's. Did a wierd unheard of indie movie that NOBODY heard of, then in 2000 or whatever had a COMEBACK with These Days & a pretty good song in It's my Life. He didn't fall off the face of the earth like Poison & Warrant, but he wasn't immensly succesful either, I'd say he treaded water thru grunge.
Kurt Cobain ABSOLUTELY belongs on this list. You may not like his music, you may not think he's talented, but with one stomp of the distortion pedal in Teen Spirit he changed music forever. And he was the most popular & recognized figure during the height of grunge. People mothers even knew who he was. As for only being around a couple years, so was Hendrix. Though had he lived he still would have been remembered as the face of grunge.
Someone asked earlier which bands from the 80's could have survived grunge. I think GnR could have had a solid record in 94/95. Black Crowes is a band I wish remained more popular. Southern Harmony was a better album than they received credit for. Tesla, should have survived, not sure they put an album out or if it was good. Cinderella had a more rock oriented record in 1990, which I recall was pretty good & not as much hair metal. it was a little too little to late. Bands like Spin Doctors & Blues Travelers took their place.
If u call selling near 50 million copies worldwide of your new albums treading water, Id sure hate to see what you would all a band that is drowning.
they consistently had the top tours and albums even through the grunge years. the 92 album with Bed of Roses sold 3 million in the US. sure it was a drop from Slippery and New Jersey and grunge of course had some effect, but they did more than tread water.
I hate the whole they are hannah montana N Sync
why?
cause Bon Jovi have been a successful band for 24 going on 25 years now. The other shit u mentioned are trends, 3-5 year phenomenons.
Hell the Backstreet Boys barely even go gold now.
U don't have a 25 year career by accident. U can fake it and fool the fans for a few years, but if u didn't have talent and werent a great band, u wouldn't last 25 years.
They don't have talent and they aren't a great band. They're fucking sellouts.
