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Re: The BATMAN Thread
Okay, everyone knows Jack Nicholson did the Joker in the older Batman movies, but credit Heath Ledger for perfecting the roll. I diasgree. Don't get me wrong I think Ledgers final hour in his role as The Joker was superb but he didn't create it. I strongly believe he was influenced by Nicholson but not his incarnation of the Joker, but from Nicholsons role in The Shining.
Think of the things that made Ledger so good in his role as the Joker. For example, his facial expressions, the way he pauses, licks his lips, talks quitely and then loudly etc,
Now look at this clip from The Shining particulary between 3:45 and 4:16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbLB21If2YA
Well thats my opinion anways...thought I'd throw it out there for shits.
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well glad someone partially agrees with me...i dunno since when is comparing a jack nicholson performance to another actor's performance a bad thing? I was meant as a compliment..though i knew that you guys wouldnt think so
i found this on youtube comparing jack to heath
- tejastech08
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Re: The BATMAN Thread
Okay, everyone knows Jack Nicholson did the Joker in the older Batman movies, but credit Heath Ledger for perfecting the roll. I diasgree. Don't get me wrong I think Ledgers final hour in his role as The Joker was superb but he didn't create it. I strongly believe he was influenced by Nicholson but not his incarnation of the Joker, but from Nicholsons role in The Shining.
Think of the things that made Ledger so good in his role as the Joker. For example, his facial expressions, the way he pauses, licks his lips, talks quitely and then loudly etc,
Now look at this clip from The Shining particulary between 3:45 and 4:16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbLB21If2YA
Well thats my opinion anways...thought I'd throw it out there for shits.
I would agree with that. I think Jack was far more appropriate for the Joker role around the time he did the Shining than nearly a decade later when he was actually cast for the Joker.
- monkeychow
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I think both Jack and Heath were awesome. Jack was hindered by a much weaker script IMHO....the best thing about "The Dark Knight" is that it's clearly written by people who understand the characters - unlike all the other films. Although the production design in the 89 movie is awesome...those gothic buildings...that car....
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Batman Forever... Batman & Robin... can suck my fucking dick. Those films were basically a modern day creation of "camp-Batman" from the 60's.
But I get tired of the hate on Burton's Batman films. Those films are solid. At the time, people thought they were great. And I still love them.
Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Begins & The Dark Knight are my children. TDK is the best, by far, but I love them all.
- tejastech08
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TDK is the best, by far.
I disagree. I think it's a toss-up between B89, BB, and TDK. Batman Returns is the weakest of the bunch although I do love it. But that is the only one I'm willing to say is definitely weaker than the other 3. B89 is the reason I'm a Batman fan. I saw it as a 3 year old in the theater and have seen it probably over 1000 times in my life (grew up watching it pretty much every day on VHS). I love Nolan's movies, but they aren't perfect and neither are Burton's. But those three are the best and I really don't distinguish between them. Keaton was a better Batman than Bale. Bale is a better Wayne than Keaton. Ledger was definitely a much better Joker than Nicholson and I'm glad Nolan didn't kill off the character, which is one of Burton's biggest blunders in his two films. Nolan's biggest blunders would be the microwave emitter, sonar, and casting Katie Holmes.
Re: The BATMAN Thread
Batman Forever... Batman & Robin... can suck my fucking dick. Those films were basically a modern day creation of "camp-Batman" from the 60's.
But I get tired of the hate on Burton's Batman films. Those films are solid. At the time, people thought they were great. And I still love them.
Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Begins & The Dark Knight are my children. TDK is the best, by far, but I love them all.
my thoughts exactly axlin.... the schumacher films took the great "darkness" from the burton films and transformed it into a cartoony mess.. they were awful....
and my biggest concern before i saw TDK was "can ledger even begin to stack up to nicholson's brilliant performance?"
Well.. needless to say...
the kid fucking BURIED HIM...
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Axlin08 wrote:TDK is the best, by far.
I disagree. I think it's a toss-up between B89, BB, and TDK. Batman Returns is the weakest of the bunch although I do love it. But that is the only one I'm willing to say is definitely weaker than the other 3. B89 is the reason I'm a Batman fan. I saw it as a 3 year old in the theater and have seen it probably over 1000 times in my life (grew up watching it pretty much every day on VHS). I love Nolan's movies, but they aren't perfect and neither are Burton's. But those three are the best and I really don't distinguish between them. Keaton was a better Batman than Bale. Bale is a better Wayne than Keaton. Ledger was definitely a much better Joker than Nicholson and I'm glad Nolan didn't kill off the character, which is one of Burton's biggest blunders in his two films. Nolan's biggest blunders would be the microwave emitter, sonar, and casting Katie Holmes.
HAHA.. the VHS was on HEAVY rotation in my room with me and my brother...
before cable.. i watched that movie twice a day... every day...
iit's the reason i know EVERY joker "line" in that whole movie by heart...
and-
you must remember from the vhs:
"You can't watch a warner brothers movie, without a warner brothers ball cap!"
"No! i said NECK TIES"
ha
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Picked up the old OOP Batman '89 DVD used today. Great condition, only $6 bucks.
Re-watched it for the first time in years, fell in love with it all over again. Burton just did a fabulous job creating atmosphere. I still think Keaton is a better Batman AND Wayne than Bale, but Bale's right there in comparison. Nicholson was great, but I think Ledger walks away with it. I still think Nicholson did a darker take on Cesar Romero's Joker, whereas Ledger totally re-invented it. Batmobile is cooler in Burton's, music is better in Burton's, Gotham is better in Burton's, and the whole overall vibe is a good blend between dark & comic book.
As for Nolan's, I think the casting far surpasses Burton's, with the exception of Keaton. I'm going to rewatch Batman Returns (i've got an old VHS around here somewhere), but for the most part I remember the cast being good, i.e. Penguin & Catwoman. Caine is a better Alfred in Nolan's. The Morgan Freeman character adds depth. Eckhart is a FAR FAR FAR better Harvey Dent/Two-Face than either Billy Dee Williams or Tommy Lee Jones. Gary Oldman is a MUCH better Gordon. The Bat-toys are cooler in Nolan's, and the character development, and scripts are better pound-for-pound.
I think what Burton did best was "the look", "the feel", "the presentation of the whole thing". What Nolan does best is a straight-forward action flick. TDK is an 'epic' imo. Nolan's film draw more emotion out of the audience, more character development, well developed action sequences, and as a film, at times you forget you're watching a Batman film. If Batman was out of the equation, they'd still be great action films. The same can't be said for Burton's. But Burton's atmosphere spanks that of Nolan's.
Plus... does anyone else here FUCKING MISS that old Batman theme? That one from B89, Batman Returns & Batman: The Animated Series? God, that has to be one of the great instrumental pieces for film. Could you imagine that theme closing TDK? I would've weeped in the street, afterwards, screaming like a lunatic how great the ending was, just because of that music.
