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Re: Best album of the 90s elimination- Round 13
@PaSnow you and me are both thinking the same with these albums I see. If we consider them one album then I wouldn't vote them off at all but since they count as two seperate albums they are quite weak. Although I don't understand how you can view UYI 1 as worse than 2. UYI 2 has Shotgun Blues, Get In The Ring and My World and those songs are atrocious.
Re: Best album of the 90s elimination- Round 13
Haha, UYI 2 probably had the 3 best songs, and 3 worst songs on it. Although, wasn't Right Next Door to Hell & Back Off Bitch on UYI 1? I dunno, I always felt GnR should've done one release, and then an "Incesticide" B-sides tyope albujm a year later.
Regardless, I do think 2 is better than 1. As I said, it had Civil War, Estranged, and Breakdown on it. But I see what you're saying, I suppose it's all how you look at it.
Re: Best album of the 90s elimination- Round 13
I certainly understand why people would start voting Illusions. If RCHP were not up there, I'd be voting for UYI II until it was gone. Maybe Dirt. Everything else is superior, and if GNR make it in to the finals, it will probably lose. When you separate those albums, the filler stands out. Badmotorfinger has no filler, yet people will vote it off before an album that contains a 2nd version of Don't Cry, My World, Shotgun Blues, Get in the Ring, and some would label So Fine as filler. Boggles my mind, because at this point the albums should be standing on their own merit and not just because someone likes Estranged or Civil War.
I prefer UYI I, mainly because it rocks and is the disc that contains Dust N Bones, The Garden, Double Talkin Jive, and Coma. The track sequencing is superb, and what little filler it does have is sandwiched between monster tracks. I also prefer the production on this album. It was probably recorded first, with the epics getting an added dose of cheese and overindulgence before being wrapped in cellophane.
LALD sounds like total shit though. Lay off the synthesizer crack pipe. It would have fit better with the glossiness of II. I realize this clearly isn't the only song to use synth, but the song has microscopic balls and just sounds artificial. Any live version from any line up blows it away.
Put these albums to the filler test, and you'll be surprised what passes your test and what fails.
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I'll be interested to see which UYI disc will get voted off first. I've long thought UYI II was preferred by fans, but it seems to be half and half here. I prefer UYI I myself, by a hair. Although my favortie song from the sessions is on UYI II, "Breakdown". UYI I rocks more though, so I give it the edge.
Re: Best album of the 90s elimination- Round 13
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I certainly understand why people would start voting Illusions. If RCHP were not up there, I'd be voting for UYI II until it was gone. Maybe Dirt. Everything else is superior, and if GNR make it in to the finals, it will probably lose. When you separate those albums, the filler stands out. Badmotorfinger has no filler,
OH YEAH it does. I understand your Soundgarden love, which is cool, and I agree with you on Illusion's filler, but I wouldn't start throwing stones at the house of UYI & Dirt with the 'filler' comment concerning Soundgarden, or at least BMF. It has an equal amount of filler, no different than the Illusion albums. The only albums up there imo that don't have filler is Ten & Black.
yet people will vote it off before an album that contains a 2nd version of Don't Cry, My World, Shotgun Blues, Get in the Ring, and some would label So Fine as filler. Boggles my mind, because at this point the albums should be standing on their own merit and not just because someone likes Estranged or Civil War.
I prefer UYI I, mainly because it rocks and is the disc that contains Dust N Bones, The Garden, Double Talkin Jive, and Coma.
DnB is better than 14 Years, but not by much. The Garden is a good song, but Breakdown is just as good, Locomotive is better than DTJ, and Estranged is better than Coma.
The UYI albums are virtual tie in quality. Both are solid albums, but both are not AFD. I'd go so far to say CD is a more solid, well-rounded, low-filler album, than either of the UYI albums just by themselves.
But in terms of one being greater than the other, i've actually always preferred UYI II slightly to UYI I. In fact the only thing I think gives UYI I an ability to tie UYI II, is the fact it has Dead Horse & Coma closing the album on a 16-track album versus the 14-track weak closing of UYI II.
And i'm not just giving it an edge because of Civil War & Estranged. Yesterdays, Breakdown, PTU, Locomotive & You Could Be MIne, also, are all very strong tracks, or at least 'intended strong' tracks.
UYI I has filler itself, like Back Off Bitch, Garden of Eden, Don't Damn Me (yes folks, it's filler), and of course Bad Apples.
I prefer UYI I, mainly because it rocks and is the disc that contains Dust N Bones, The Garden, Double Talkin Jive, and Coma.
The track sequencing is superb, and what little filler it does have is sandwiched between monster tracks. I also prefer the production on this album. It was probably recorded first, with the epics getting an added dose of cheese and overindulgence before being wrapped in cellophane.
The track sequencing is probably the biggest thing that throws both of them off. Right Next Door To Hell is a B-side that should've NEVER opened an album. Perfect Crime is the true opener on UYI I. Garden of Eden, Don't Damn Me, & Bad Apples is too much to sit through to get to Dead Horse & Coma. In some sense, Coma could've opened the album to really set an amazing tone, bump Dead Horse & The Garden up into the 5-10 range, and let November Rain close it, and just cut the rest of the tracks.
UYI II opens strong, but kicks you square in the nuts with that limp KOHD studio cut, GITR & Shotgun... sitting through those three tracks, that earlier and that long, to hit Breakdown, on... is just too much.
They probably should've went an AIC route. Release album of rockers, and a couple ballads (Don't Cry / NR), then save the softer-toned epics and covers, like Estranged, for an 8-10 track EP.
LALD sounds like total shit though. Lay off the synthesizer crack pipe. It would have fit better with the glossiness of II. I realize this clearly isn't the only song to use synth, but the song has microscopic balls and just sounds artificial. Any live version from any line up blows it away.
Put these albums to the filler test, and you'll be surprised what passes your test and what fails.
In comparison to what's up there, alot would pass, and I say that unbiased. PJ, Metallica & AIC's filler is probably better than GNR's, but GNR's big efforts, crush there's, with maybe the exception of some of the obvious big tracks on those other albums.
The odd man out of this is Soundgarden.
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2nd version of Don't Cry, My World, Get in the Ring, and some would label So Fine as filler
Put these albums to the filler test, and you'll be surprised what passes your test and what fails.
i like the second version of don't cry;
my world is funny and i don't consider it a song in itself;
get in the ring might have cheesy lyrics or it is cheesy overall but for me it works, just like locomotive works and they're not that far apart.
so fine is an awesome song and it's not on my top 5 from that album because it's got breakdown, estranged, civil war, yesterdays, 14 years to stand up to
i can't find a filler on this two albums apart maybe from shotgun blues. i don't like mcartney or the beatles but lald sounds good and i'll take it.
for me the final two are a no brainer and that's why i'm on a gnr board. i don't care how epic metallica's album was, how breakthrough pearl jam and aic were, i think uyi are the best 
i could write an essay about why the illusions are great but i'll stop here 
