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James
 Rep: 664 

Re: Obama to decide how much you smoke

James wrote:

WASHINGTON – The Senate struck a historic blow against smoking in America Thursday, voting overwhelmingly to give regulators new power to limit nicotine in the cigarettes that kill nearly a half-million people a year, to drastically curtail ads that glorify tobacco and to ban flavored products aimed at spreading the habit to young people.

President Barack Obama, who has spoken of his own struggle to quit smoking, said he was eager to sign the legislation, and the House planned a vote for Friday. Cigarette foes said the measure would not only cut deaths but reduce the $100 billion in annual health care costs linked to tobacco.

Fierce opposition by the industry and tobacco-state lawmakers had prevented passage for years, along with veto threats by the George W. Bush White House. In the end, the nation's biggest tobacco company supported the measure, though rivals suggested that was because it could lock in Philip Morris' share of the market.

Cigarette smoking kills about 400,000 people in the United States every year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. About 45 million U.S. adults are smokers, though the prevalence has fallen since the U.S. surgeon general's warning 45 years ago that tobacco causes lung cancer.

The legislation, one of the most dramatic anti-smoking initiatives since the surgeon general's report, would give the Food and Drug Administration authority to regulate the content, marketing and advertising of cigarettes and other tobacco products.

"This legislation represents the strongest action Congress has ever taken to reduce tobacco use, the leading preventable cause of death in the United States," declared Matthew Myers, president of Campaign for Tobacco-free Kids.

The 79-17 Senate vote sent the measure back to the House, which in April passed a similar but not identical version. House acceptance of the Senate bill would send it directly to Obama, who said Thursday that final passage "will make history by giving the scientists and medical experts at the FDA the power to take sensible steps."

"At any given moment, millions are struggling with their habit or worrying about loved ones who smoke," said Obama.

His signature would then add tobacco to other huge, nationally important areas that have come under greater government supervision since his presidency began. Those include banking, housing and autos. Still to come, if Congress can agree: health care.

Supporters of FDA regulation of tobacco have struggled for more than a decade to overcome powerful resistance — from the industry and elsewhere. In 2000 the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 that the agency did not have the authority under current law to regulate tobacco products, and the Bush administration opposed several previous efforts by Congress to write a new law.

Thursday's legislation gives the FDA power to evaluate the contents of tobacco products and to order changes or bans on those that are a danger to public health. The agency could limit nicotine yields but not ban nicotine or cigarettes.

Regulators could prohibit tobacco companies from using candy or other flavors in cigarettes that tend to attract young smokers, and restrict advertising in publications often read by teenagers. Rules on sales to minors would be toughened, as would warning labels. Tobacco companies would have to get FDA approval for new products, and would be barred from using terms such as "light" or "mild" that imply a smaller health risk.

Costs of the new program would be paid for through a fee imposed on tobacco companies.

"This is a bill that will protect children and will protect America," said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., a leading supporter. "Every day that we don't act, 3,500 American kids — children — will light up for the first time. That is enough to fill 70 school buses."

The Congressional Budget Office estimated that FDA regulation could reduce underage smoking by 11 percent over the next decade.

The bill, said American Heart Association CEO Nancy Brown, "provides a tremendous opportunity to finally hold tobacco companies accountable and restrict efforts to addict more children and adults."

The tobacco lobby, contended Durbin, has long been the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill, "and they managed to create an exemption in virtually every law so that no federal agency could take a look at them and regulate them."

But the industry has also taken hits in recent years as the dangers of smoking became more apparent and states moved to limit smoking in public places. In 1998 the industry agreed to pay the states $206 billion to help cover health care costs, and this year Congress raised the federal cigarette tax by 62 cents, to $1.01 a pack, to fund a health care program for children.

The nation's largest tobacco manufacturer, Philip Morris, USA, has come out in support of the legislation. Its parent company, Altria Group, said in a statement that on balance, "the legislation is an important step forward to achieve the goal we share with others to provide federal regulation of tobacco products."

Its main rivals, however, have voiced opposition, arguing in part that FDA restrictions on new products will lock in Philip Morris' share of the market.

Lawmakers portrayed the bill as a major first step in bringing down health care costs, an essential goal of the health care overhaul legislation that is the top priority of the Obama administration this year.

"This bill may do more in the area of prevention, if adopted, than anything else we may include in the health care bill in the short term," said Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., who managed the legislation on the Senate floor in the absence of the ailing Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., who has long promoted FDA regulation.

Opponents, led by Republican Sen. Richard Burr of the tobacco-growing state of North Carolina, argued that the FDA, which is in charge of ensuring the safety of food and drug products, was the wrong place to regulate an item that is injurious to health.

He also contended that the bill would restrict tobacco companies, including several based in his state, from developing new products that might be less harmful to users. He unsuccessfully proposed the creation of a new agency that would both regulate tobacco products and encourage efforts to make cigarettes less harmful.

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Welcome to the Soviet Union....

BLS-Pride
 Rep: 212 

Re: Obama to decide how much you smoke

BLS-Pride wrote:

What's next? How much air you can breath? How much money you can spend? How many miles you can drive? Why didn't people see this coming? So blinded by the man's ability too speak. Just another wolf in sheeps' clothing if you ask me

James
 Rep: 664 

Re: Obama to decide how much you smoke

James wrote:

Actually, while this is insanity, I want the republicans(the few real republicans left anyways) to just roll over and let this insane, out of touch, Soviet relic agenda come to fruition. It guarantees that this clown is a one term president, and increases the chances of an independent candidate(or a real conservative) stepping up on the national stage in 2012.

Gonna be a hard three years, but we survived the idiocy of Jimmy Carter, so we'll hopefully survive this lunacy.

Actually, you're "how many miles you can drive" line is getting a bit closer to reality.

BLS-Pride
 Rep: 212 

Re: Obama to decide how much you smoke

BLS-Pride wrote:

People picked "making history" over the good of the country. Not saying McCain is or was a whole lot better but this guy is just running the working class into the ground and they were already half way in. It's amazing too me that Obama just named a former AT&T CEO as head of GM. When he openly admitted he knows nothing about fucking cars. And that new judge was picked just because she was Spanish and that is pretty clear. He is just fucking up more and more and Nancy Twat is running the house like a whore so we are in pretty deep shit.

Axl S
 Rep: 112 

Re: Obama to decide how much you smoke

Axl S wrote:

The title of this thread is very misleading. They're just reducing the ammount of nicotine that goes into a cigarette therefore making it less addictive and easier to quit. I see no disadvantage to pushing legislation through that will lead to a decline in the number of people smoking.

Neemo
 Rep: 485 

Re: Obama to decide how much you smoke

Neemo wrote:

Canada's govt did this years ago...didnt really curtail too much. more like weening society's youth off of the addiction

James
 Rep: 664 

Re: Obama to decide how much you smoke

James wrote:
Axl S wrote:

The title of this thread is very misleading. They're just reducing the ammount of nicotine that goes into a cigarette therefore making it less addictive and easier to quit. I see no disadvantage to pushing legislation through that will lead to a decline in the number of people smoking.

No, it isn't misleading. Taking nicotine out of cigarettes is simply a way to get people to smoke more and pay more of his sin tax. The ONLY reason tobacco companies are against it is because its a radical agenda. They will actually make more money when he passes this, and they know it. Its why Philip Morris decided to embrace it.

It has nothing to do with the health of smokers, and everyone knows it. Its about Big Brother deciding what you do and how much, and his sin tax which is mainly a tax on the poor.

Go Obama! Bring us more of this change!! I'm really looking forward to the coming soda tax. I drool at the thought of paying 10 more cents per can so Obama can hire more bean counters and stifle the economy even further.

James
 Rep: 664 

Re: Obama to decide how much you smoke

James wrote:
Neemo wrote:

Canada's govt did this years ago...didnt really curtail too much. more like weening society's youth off of the addiction

It doesn't ween anybody off. It just increases cigarette consumption. Like when you have a pack of Camel lights, you smoke them twice as quickly as you would a pack of full flavor.

Neemo
 Rep: 485 

Re: Obama to decide how much you smoke

Neemo wrote:

the ones addicted most likely will still smoke, what it will do is decrease the amount of smoking that yout will see on TV and in mag ads and billboards, sporting events etc etc ... reduce the "cool" factor

Neemo
 Rep: 485 

Re: Obama to decide how much you smoke

Neemo wrote:

we actually ahve some doctors here that will not take you on as a patient if you are a smoker, they will make you go to the clinic instead

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