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- Me_Wise_Magic
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Re: Guns N' Roses, Jack White set for Bridge School Benefit
I saw a few performances so far. The band played good. It was really nice of Ron and DJ to communicate with the kids during the performances.
- monkeychow
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Re: Guns N' Roses, Jack White set for Bridge School Benefit
I'm going to be honest about something and I'm sorry in advance if it pisses anyone off but I want to get it off my chest after yesterdays posts.
The LAST thing I want is for Axl to fail. Axl's music is very important to me. Disproportionately so even. It's why I have a stupid number of posts talking about this band and it's spin off bands.
This doesn't just apply to his old music. I've posted many times about how hearing those screams in twat really kind of touched me emotionally in ways other music hasn't. Just hearing the demo of Catcher many years ago inspired me that it was possible for people to still write great songs even when so much has been done before, and inspired me to go back to working on my own songwriting. So Axl's music is fundamental to me.
It's strange to me that guys like Russ and Nemo and others who I know are long term supporters of the band like me can listen to the same thing I did last night and not notice what I did. I'm happy you guys enjoyed it. I won't go into detail about the issues I noticed, other than to clarify, that I'm not expecting Axl at 50 to sound like he did at 21 - but what I can't deny that I've noticed is a massive shift in his sound since 2009. I have a bootleg of the band from 2009 that sounds now like an entirely different lead singer to what we heard last night.
Watching the part where the jungle lyrics die, to me it looks like Axl doesn't forget them but is actually unable to sing them. I wonder if there's deeper medical issues at play and perhaps that's why he's generally avoiding rasp and more punishing techniques too. But that's speculation.
Perhaps that is just how it has to be. I have no idea of the real reasons it happens - as none of us actually know Axl's medical state, practise regimen, voice condition relative to his age or any other factors. I'm just saying there's a dramatic difference noticeable in these videos which are only 3 years apart and to me that's a cause of concern.
Hopefully it turns out to be a temporary change, like his 01 voice was, or perhaps he'll be able to songwrite in the future in ways that compliment and accommodate the voice he has now. I hope so.
I just found it odd that other people don't hear it. And then when it was mentioned we're told it's either because we want to be negative or because we expect him to be 20 years old. For myself neither of those things could be further from the truth.
I deeply respect Axl as a musician, performer, songwriter and lyricist and I really hope that in the future he shares more music with us, and if there's medical problems I'd support him though that too, I'm just saying I can't lie and say that I don't notice issues with the performance last night.
Re: Guns N' Roses, Jack White set for Bridge School Benefit
monkeychow wrote:I'm going to be honest about something and I'm sorry in advance if it pisses anyone off but I want to get it off my chest after yesterdays posts.
The LAST thing I want is for Axl to fail. Axl's music is very important to me. Disproportionately so even. It's why I have a stupid number of posts talking about this band and it's spin off bands.
This doesn't just apply to his old music. I've posted many times about how hearing those screams in twat really kind of touched me emotionally in ways other music hasn't. Just hearing the demo of Catcher many years ago inspired me that it was possible for people to still write great songs even when so much has been done before, and inspired me to go back to working on my own songwriting. So Axl's music is fundamental to me.
It's strange to me that guys like Russ and Nemo and others who I know are long term supporters of the band like me can listen to the same thing I did last night and not notice what I did. I'm happy you guys enjoyed it. I won't go into detail about the issues I noticed, other than to clarify, that I'm not expecting Axl at 50 to sound like he did at 21 - but what I can't deny that I've noticed is a massive shift in his sound since 2009. I have a bootleg of the band from 2009 that sounds now like an entirely different lead singer to what we heard last night.
Watching the part where the jungle lyrics die, to me it looks like Axl doesn't forget them but is actually unable to sing them. I wonder if there's deeper medical issues at play and perhaps that's why he's generally avoiding rasp and more punishing techniques too. But that's speculation.
Perhaps that is just how it has to be. I have no idea of the real reasons it happens - as none of us actually know Axl's medical state, practise regimen, voice condition relative to his age or any other factors. I'm just saying there's a dramatic difference noticeable in these videos which are only 3 years apart and to me that's a cause of concern.
Hopefully it turns out to be a temporary change, like his 01 voice was, or perhaps he'll be able to songwrite in the future in ways that compliment and accommodate the voice he has now. I hope so.
I just found it odd that other people don't hear it. And then when it was mentioned we're told it's either because we want to be negative or because we expect him to be 20 years old. For myself neither of those things could be further from the truth.
I deeply respect Axl as a musician, performer, songwriter and lyricist and I really hope that in the future he shares more music with us, and if there's medical problems I'd support him though that too, I'm just saying I can't lie and say that I don't notice issues with the performance last night.
I totally get everything you're saying. And I'm certainly not saying the performance was without fault. Hell, Axl even started singing part of You're Crazy in the middle of Jungle for godssake. My posts were directed at the people who seem to only come out of the woodwork to post when they have something negative to say. The people who never have anything positive to add anywhere on the forum. There are people like you who are active all over the site and have more than just doom and gloom to offer all of the time on every subject.
I obviously can't speak for everybody, and the negativity does seem to go overboard sometimes, but so does the defending. I could easily be wrong, but if Axl had killed it last night I'd be here to read about it and I think a lot of other negative people would be too. Fact of the matter is, he didn't. From a lot of different aspects he just didn't.
A buddy of mine is as big of a GNR fan as me, but doesn't follow the forums/bootlegs or anythng like that, and I watched his heart break in my living room last night.
Like Monkey said, it could be a health issue or something, I have no idea. It sounds to me like a lot of it could be remedied if he just dropped a lot of his vocals down an octave, but I don't know for sure. He needs to try something though, not just keep doing what he's doing.
Re: Guns N' Roses, Jack White set for Bridge School Benefit
From what I have seen it wasn't their best and not the worse. The band seemed tight and having fun. I read some of the thread before I watched the videos and I thought it was gonna be much worse than it was. It was defiantly an off night for Axl though. Parts were indeed painful but no where as close to RIO as some are making it seem. I am not the kind of person to post my theories on his voice issues so i won't go into detail but whatever he was doing in 2006 should be the same for now. If that is possible. I know he can sound better than he has lately.
I do notice some posters come around during performances like this one. I have no problem with it. You can post how you feel here but at times it gets a bit outta hand and old. Not to name people but really Dave we get it dude. It is what it is, as you can probably tell it isn't going to change. Axl is Axl. He had a shitty performance. It has happened before. Who are you to even begin to try and speak on why or how much or how little he cares. Or his practice habits. It boggles my mind reading some things posted as if they are in the passenger seat and know the reason why shit happens. You can compare him to others all day but what if Axl's voice is shot. Or just weak and won't get stronger to a point where it was before. The dude is human. For all we know he does vocal exercises and warm ups and keeps his voice in the best shape possible. Over 20 years, I doubt he doesn't look after his money maker.
- dave-gnfnr
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Re: Guns N' Roses, Jack White set for Bridge School Benefit
From what I have seen it wasn't their best and not the worse. The band seemed tight and having fun. I read some of the thread before I watched the videos and I thought it was gonna be much worse than it was. It was defiantly an off night for Axl though. Parts were indeed painful but no where as close to RIO as some are making it seem. I am not the kind of person to post my theories on his voice issues so i won't go into detail but whatever he was doing in 2006 should be the same for now. If that is possible. I know he can sound better than he has lately.
I do notice some posters come around during performances like this one. I have no problem with it. You can post how you feel here but at times it gets a bit outta hand and old. Not to name people but really Dave we get it dude. It is what it is, as you can probably tell it isn't going to change. Axl is Axl. He had a shitty performance. It has happened before. Who are you to even begin to try and speak on why or how much or how little he cares. Or his practice habits. It boggles my mind reading some things posted as if they are in the passenger seat and know the reason why shit happens. You can compare him to others all day but what if Axl's voice is shot. Or just weak and won't get stronger to a point where it was before. The dude is human. For all we know he does vocal exercises and warm ups and keeps his voice in the best shape possible. Over 20 years, I doubt he doesn't look after his money maker.
Because fans should care if they are going to pay money to see Axl live and Axl doesnt give a shit (IE those vegas shows) and just half asses it for a cash grab.
Axl does not practice, the band members have been saying it since the UYI days.
And you can tell because by the end of the tour, he sounds at least so what like his voice is almost in shape. That is because he is USING IT.
I just think its funny some fans still defend Axl and make excuses for him, itsw pretty comical.
Re: Guns N' Roses, Jack White set for Bridge School Benefit
I'm going to be honest about something and I'm sorry in advance if it pisses anyone off but I want to get it off my chest after yesterdays posts.
The LAST thing I want is for Axl to fail. Axl's music is very important to me. Disproportionately so even. It's why I have a stupid number of posts talking about this band and it's spin off bands.
This doesn't just apply to his old music. I've posted many times about how hearing those screams in twat really kind of touched me emotionally in ways other music hasn't. Just hearing the demo of Catcher many years ago inspired me that it was possible for people to still write great songs even when so much has been done before, and inspired me to go back to working on my own songwriting. So Axl's music is fundamental to me.
It's strange to me that guys like Russ and Nemo and others who I know are long term supporters of the band like me can listen to the same thing I did last night and not notice what I did. I'm happy you guys enjoyed it. I won't go into detail about the issues I noticed, other than to clarify, that I'm not expecting Axl at 50 to sound like he did at 21 - but what I can't deny that I've noticed is a massive shift in his sound since 2009. I have a bootleg of the band from 2009 that sounds now like an entirely different lead singer to what we heard last night.
Watching the part where the jungle lyrics die, to me it looks like Axl doesn't forget them but is actually unable to sing them. I wonder if there's deeper medical issues at play and perhaps that's why he's generally avoiding rasp and more punishing techniques too. But that's speculation.
Perhaps that is just how it has to be. I have no idea of the real reasons it happens - as none of us actually know Axl's medical state, practise regimen, voice condition relative to his age or any other factors. I'm just saying there's a dramatic difference noticeable in these videos which are only 3 years apart and to me that's a cause of concern.
Hopefully it turns out to be a temporary change, like his 01 voice was, or perhaps he'll be able to songwrite in the future in ways that compliment and accommodate the voice he has now. I hope so.
I just found it odd that other people don't hear it. And then when it was mentioned we're told it's either because we want to be negative or because we expect him to be 20 years old. For myself neither of those things could be further from the truth.
I deeply respect Axl as a musician, performer, songwriter and lyricist and I really hope that in the future he shares more music with us, and if there's medical problems I'd support him though that too, I'm just saying I can't lie and say that I don't notice issues with the performance last night.
Good post, monkey. It captures a lot of the way I feel about Axl (moreso than any ex-Gunner by a mile).
I have a really hard time believing that Axl hasn't just gotten complacent though. I know he's 50, and I know his vocal style is possibly THE hardest out there. But those who downplay Tyler's vocal abilities and the difficulty of his style should think twice. That's the most comparable. Nazareth is another good one, but they dropped down a few steps, but still sound good. I'm not sure how well GnR would translate downwards.
Nonetheless, I'll be an over the top fan of his work and I'll carry over top and completely unwarranted hopes for new shit that will blow me away (like TWAT, like the summer 08 leak of Prostitute, like early cuts of The Blues and IRS...) until I die.
But I know I'll also lose patience from time to time and have no problem calling bs on him or his circle when it's warranted. And I'll also ALSO (;)) buy tix to see him anytime he comes to Boston.
Thus is my Axlitis.
