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- FlashFlood
- Rep: 55
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
while CD might not go down as the success story a lot of people thought it was going to be, it is going to be pretty hard to dismiss it as a failure. it has sold a decent, tho not stellar amount of copies, and according to metacritic, 65/100 reviewers like the record. honestly, in this day and age, if you can win over half of the "critics" that listen to your record (especially when it is as avant garde as cd) you did something right.
so ya, did it live up to the hype, both commercially and critically? probably not.
but does that mean that it flopped? not quite.
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
Admit then, you are simply speculating (and perhaps hoping) of failure.
My mind is open and I am willing to accept failure for multiple reasons, but just not based on 7 days of data.
Wow, I am a liar too, then? Great. Real nice talking with ya.
For fuck sakes. Of course it's speculation. How fucking dumb are we here? Do I have to add a disclaimer every time I post saying "I'm only speculating but...." Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows I'm speculating. Figure it out!. And I'm not callin you a lier but likley an exagerator. No album has 100% approval rating. I've never heard an album in my life that everyone agrees on. I started a thread where we post the reviews of people we come across and I've posted bad and good and have always posted the bad and nbegative reactions I see. Saying nice round numbers like 75 and that to a man they all loved it does reak of an exageration.
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
Bono wrote:All I can say is wow! Gimme a fucking break. My polling data? Stay in denial you'll be happier there. This is what I mean. Everything that doesn't shine a bright light on CD needs actual data to back it up. Where as anything that does glorify the album is proof that it's just marketed poorly.
o.k. than.
No less than 75? To a man they love it? sounds real legit. 100% approval rating. Sure
Admit then, you are simply speculating (and perhaps hoping) of failure.
My mind is open and I am willing to accept failure for multiple reasons, but just not based on 7 days of data.
Wow, I am a liar too, then? Great. Real nice talking with ya.
If you're accusing him of seeing what he wants to see, you need to look in the mirror. The album should have sold on the name itself. It didn't. Now it has to sell on it's own merits, which even the supporters admit isn't commercially appealing. If you don't see how that has failure written all over it, then you're just not willing to look at the obvious. That isn't Bono's fault.
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
maybe i am looking at things a bit out of context here
when people are saying its a failure...a failure in relation to what? to the insane hype that some forum goers have placed on it in the past? yeah sure i would agree with that...the ones who said it would go double platinum in a week, or platinum overnight...yeah it came nowhere near to that status, i dont think an album ever will again...a failure because #1 on best buy presale charts didnt offer as much position as people anticipated? yeah i agree with that...hell i championed those causes for the past 3 years..in the end CD is just another album, yes i get it and that train of thought was pretty much pioneered by this community...however selling over 300,000 in the grand scheme of things is better than i had hoped, i was thinking more like james, probably less, at 150,000 - 200,000 first week, but in reality its going to be at almost double those numbers, in my mind that is a huge sucess of the bat, so what it didnt get #1, but it was going up against a rap artist with a huge following...there isnt any shame in being #2 at all...especially after the hiatus Axl has been on, and the modest promo....even the promo has been more than i figured we'd get to see
- killingvector
- Rep: 21
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
killingvector wrote:Admit then, you are simply speculating (and perhaps hoping) of failure.
My mind is open and I am willing to accept failure for multiple reasons, but just not based on 7 days of data.
Wow, I am a liar too, then? Great. Real nice talking with ya.
For fuck sakes. Of course it's speculation. How fucking dumb are we here? Do I have to add a disclaimer every time I post saying "I'm only speculating but...." Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows I'm speculating. Figure it out!. And I'm not callin you a lier but likley an exagerator. No album has 100% approval rating. I've never heard an album in my life that everyone agrees on. I started a thread where we post the reviews of people we come across and I've posted bad and good and have always posted the bad and nbegative reactions I see. Saying nice round numbers like 75 and that to a man they all loved it does reak of an exageration.
LOL. I guess I need to help you out a bit.
I clearly said even though 75 cops at MPD admitted loving it, I wasn't comfortable proclaiming it to be the new Thriller. Just as those 2 girls who came up to you in the DJ booth are not proof that the average joe/jane aren't digging it. In statistics, it is called sample size. Polls live and die based on it.
your post is rife with baseless speculation. It's ok to discuss but forgive me if I see no foundation.
And no, I was not exaggerating. If it was 74 or 73 or 76, who the fuck knows exactly how many were on duty that night, but the average on any given weekend/holiday evening is 75.
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
maybe i am looking at things a bit out of context here
when people are saying its a failure...a failure in relation to what? to the insane hype that soem forum goers have paced on it in the past? yeah sure i would agree with that...the ones who said it would go double platinum a week, or platinum overnight...yeah it came nowhere near to that status, i dont think an album ever will again...a failure because #1 on best buy presale charts didnt offer as much position as peopel anticipated? yeah i agree with that...hell i championed those causes for the past 3 years..in the end CD is just another album, yes i get it and that thought was pretty much pioneered by this community...however selling over 300,000 in the grand scheme of things is better than i had hoped, i was thinking more like james 150,000 - 200,000 first week, but at almost double those numbers, in my mind that is a huge sucess of the bat, so what it didnt get #1, but it was going up against a rap artist with a huge following...there isnt any shame in being #2 at all...especially after the hiatus Axl has been on, and the modest promo....even the promo has been more than i figured we'd get to see
My arguement to that is this Neemo: This is "supposed" to be Guns N' Roses. So it should sell extremely well. Much more than it did. Unless of course we think an album relased by the orginal Gn'R doesn't sell upwards of 750 000 and possibly beyond on opening week in this day and age. I think it's a failure when considering all aspects. Brand name, anticipation, build up, curiosity factor. This album should've sold much better in the opening week in my opinion. But like I've said I feel the music didn't merrit it and that's that. I mena this album didn't need anymore promo than it had. very factor I mentioend contributed to the prmo and nthen the tv ads were plentiful. The single came out a few weeks in advance so it had it's chance. People just rejected it(so far) I don't think there's any shame in being #2 behind Kanye either but I think it's pretty disapointing from a Gn'R standpoint that Metallica and AC/DC doubled your sales. Metallica sold well considering how poorly recived their last album was, AC/DC hasn't done anything in years either and they sold way better with much less hype. I thin the lowerish sales of a name like Gn'R speaks volumes as to what people think of the muisc and the situation. A Gn'R with Axl and Slash crushes these sales numbers in my opinion with as usta s much or even less promo
*Disclaimer: The preceding was pure speculation and opinion of gnrevolution forum memebr Bono. His thoughts and opinions are not necessarily shared by this site or any of it's administrators.
- killingvector
- Rep: 21
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
People just rejected it(so far)
Reject means what now? Not purchased?
I rejected a box of Apple Jacks today because I wanted a real apple.
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
People just rejected it(so far)
Reject means what now? Not purchased?
I rejected a box of Apple Jacks today because I wanted a real apple.
They rejected Chinese Democracy because they wanted real Guns N' Roses. :haha:
Sorry couldn't resist just a joke.
Re: Chinese Democracy UNDER 300,000 copies sold first week?
People just rejected it(so far)
Reject means what now? Not purchased?
I rejected a box of Apple Jacks today because I wanted a real apple.
Forget it dude. I can see how this works in your world. Well going by statistics I'd say since the album only sold 300 000 odd copies in week one and will likley drop in sales form here on out and given the population in the United States I'd say the album has failed miserably. There. I'm using actual numbers now. happy.
Look I won't be the one making excuses. I won't be the one looking for reasons to justify why the album was a "letdown" in terms of what was expecetd. And don't even try to argue there wasn't huge expectations for this album with some lame ass "Well what really were the expectations? Who are we to lay it out there what the true expectations were" we all know the expectations were big. From a musical standpoint, to sales wise, to whatever. the expectations were big for this. I'll be the guy who if this thing blows up eventually will be saying "wow I was wrong". You'll be the guy if the album starts slipping who says "it's really hard to define failure. we don't know all the facts and we really don't know what the true response was in a time when everybody is a downloading mother fucker" This album has to sell extremely well to be considerd a success. There's no spin that changes that. It's an opinion that everyone seeemd to agree on up untill a few weeks ago when it became apparent the promotion was sligtly lacking. But suddenly success is based on the "what if's" No way. It doesn't work like that.
Oh and by the way did you buy or eat that real apple? You did? Why's that? Because you wanted it? I see.
*Disclaimer: The preceding was pure speculation and opinion of gnrevolution forum memebr Bono. His thoughts and opinions are not necessarily shared by this site or any of it's administrators.
