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Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
James wrote:One more thing....
It blows me away he never attempted going solo. The potential to do something was clearly there.
He got way too caught up in the GNR thing post 95, hooked up with a wacky group of people, and the years and his career just started slipping away.
They were only relevant in pop culture for maybe 3 years. Incredible if you think about it.
Yeah...summer of 88 the height of GNR mania to the madness of the UYI release.
92-93 coasting on those fumes.
Kinda similar with Skid Row.... big from late 89 to mid 91.
Crazy.
Time passed by so much slower in those days. I can blink and two years will have passed by....but it was forever back then.
Speaking of The Beatles....
Little quirks like this.....
...makes me wonder if the world really is just a simulation.
What are the chances of that occuring naturally....one in a billion? One in a trillion?
Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
Time passed by so much slower in those days. I can blink and two years will have passed by....but it was forever back then.
Yep. I enjoyed and looked forward to Summer where you could just kind of kick back and relax and watch a bunch of MTV. Now? I can't wait for Summer to be over because it's so hot. It's weird because people "our age" we all complain about how Summer sucks now. Time...was just different then. It's hard to explain but I'm sure most will understand. It'll never be the same again and given what I have been told about this current generation, the future may not be better.
Sorry for going off there.
Duff and Slash are content with this setup so, whatever Team Brazil screwup happened (like removing the article) doesn't matter. They are in it for the touring revenue as long as that keeps rolling in, they will put up with a lot of crap. Those two guys have families now to support and it's a business decision for both of them.
- AgesOfTheIce
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Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
slashsfro wrote:James wrote:One more thing....
It blows me away he never attempted going solo. The potential to do something was clearly there.
He got way too caught up in the GNR thing post 95, hooked up with a wacky group of people, and the years and his career just started slipping away.
They were only relevant in pop culture for maybe 3 years. Incredible if you think about it.
Kinda similar with Skid Row.... big from late 89 to mid 91.
I remember one of the guys from Skid Row saying they lost almost all of their female audience when Slave To The Grind came out. Don't remember if he speculated as to why.
Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
I’m going out a lot more to the outdoors and state parks, with playlists of all my old music for my road trips. Having a lot more fun now than back then
Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
James wrote:slashsfro wrote:They were only relevant in pop culture for maybe 3 years. Incredible if you think about it.
Kinda similar with Skid Row.... big from late 89 to mid 91.
I remember one of the guys from Skid Row saying they lost almost all of their female audience when Slave To The Grind came out. Don't remember if he speculated as to why.
No need to speculate...we know why.
They lost 60% of their fan base the moment Slave was released. The fact it had a #1 debut on Billboard briefly disguised their immediate decline..so did being the opening act on the hottest tour in the country summer 91.
Another thing they didn't realize was a hefty portion of their fan base wasn't just girls...they were casual fans at best...
13-16 year old girls buying your debut for 'I Remember You' and a poster of Baz is not a sign of longevity.
While they were the (much) better band...they were VERY similar to Warrant.
I applaud their decision to move in a more heavy and serious direction.... Monkey Business instead of Piece of Me and In A Darkened Room instead of I Remember You...in hindsight it was career suicide.
They also had no idea grunge was right around the corner.
Any chance of keeping things together was obliterated the moment they released that covers EP. What an idiotic decision. Nobody cared.
Once we found out years later about Baz and all the diva antics.... they're lucky they even lasted to 91.
. I enjoyed and looked forward to Summer where you could just kind of kick back and relax and watch a bunch of MTV. Now? I can't wait for Summer to be over because it's so hot. It's weird because people "our age" we all complain about how Summer sucks now. Time...was just different then. It's hard to explain but I'm sure most will understand.
In our youth...a day felt like a week now, a week felt like a month, and a month felt like a year, and a year verging on a decade. 
Now it's the exact opposite.
I will never forget the summer of 86. It just went on forever.... like a massive gulf between 5th and 6th grade.
The lead up to Christmas 85 was eternal. It's the infamous Christmas in our family... everyone still alive from back then still reminisces about it. Around 12-13 days before Christmas, I had told my mom I think I'm gonna go crazy waiting. 
12 Days.
That's nothing....yet it was everything then.
For GNR fans at the time....look how long the UYI wait felt like...yet it only really lasted from 89 to mid 91...and we got a few treats in between.
The passage of time and how its perception changes is a mind blowing and frightening aspect of aging.
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I’m going out a lot more to the outdoors and state parks, with playlists of all my old music for my road trips. Having a lot more fun now than back then
I should start doing something similar. I don't go out very much anymore. Hell...I'll be going to see the new MI film in 2-3 weeks and that'll be the most exciting thing I've done in eons.
- Shacklermyrye
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Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
Any of you fuckers have the Oh My God remix with new vocals?
Brain was asked to work on six remixes for the band one of which ssems to be omg . Bizarrely this has been largely forgotten by people. Perhaps they instead assumed he meant the version of the song that leaked with Bumblefoot guitar on (at least retrospectivly it leaked around 2018-ish). However that version does not have new vocals and whilst the new guitar solo by BBF can certainly be described as wild, it’s clear that it’s not on the intro or even a remix
“There's a remix w/lots of new vocals and a wilder guitar intro but it's not taken all that seriously. ( AXL Chinesedemocracy.com December 14, 2008).
Given he said that in 2008, the 6 that must have existed are below, and we have 5 of them. This was years before anyone heard that Brain and Reece Sorry thing existed.
01 - This I Love New Voc Leaked 19/06/18
02 - Shackler's Revenge Leaked 26/06/18
03 - If The World Leaked 31/07/19
04 - Blood In The Water Leaked 05/07/12
05 - Better Gone Leaked 2012
06 - Oh My God New Voc
I know the school of thought for the people who care about the remixes is that the 6th one is an unkown track but surely going by his comment on the forum chat it has to be OMG. I dont tend to care too much about the remixes but if there is a version of OMG with new vocals... I want it
So anybody got it?
Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
No.
I don't think I ever bothered listening to it. Hell...I had went eons before finally listening to that version of Silkworms with Ron.
The only version of OMG I've heard is the one on the soundtrack.
That 2010s era of leaks where it's the same songs over and over to the point some of them were fan edits turned me off to the whole thing.
After reading your post I would like to hear it.
I don't remember another Shacklers Revenge leaking...other than that sketch on the Village discs.
- Shacklermyrye
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Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
No.
I don't think I ever bothered listening to it. Hell...I had went eons before finally listening to that version of Silkworms with Ron.
The only version of OMG I've heard is the one on the soundtrack.
That 2010s era of leaks where it's the same songs over and over to the point some of them were fan edits turned me off to the whole thing.
After reading your post I would like to hear it.
I don't remember another Shacklers Revenge leaking...other than that sketch on the Village discs.
I can send you them when i get chance, but the Shacklers remix is truly awful lol. But OMG remix with new vocals interests me, especially the wilder guitar intro, Bucket never played on OMG to my knowledge & I wonder if it's him.
Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
To better remember what happened 15 years ago around now I went looking for Skwerl’s article about the 2008 leaks on Antiquiet and it seems that site is gone? Eventually it turned up here:
https://steveleeds.wordpress.com/tag/guns-n-roses/
This part is interesting:
“The story I got from Steve was that a year prior, a friend of his, a courier of some kind, walked into Jimmy Iovine’s office, and walked out with a CD. Ten tracks; these nine, plus another version of Better that I never bothered to get from Steve.”
Oh, and this:
“Jarmo from the GNR fansite Here Today… Gone To Hell came across news of the leak. He immediately notified Fernando Santos, who checked it out, and then did a Whois lookup on Antiquiet.com to get my phone number so he could talk tough to me.”
And this, which suggests that THE BAND TAKES ACTION ONLY WHEN LEAKS OCCUR:
“Chinese Democracy was finally released on November 23rd, 2008, exclusively at Best Buy, about 20 weeks after my leaks. That’s from no concrete plans, to going up on shelves. Pretty quickly, especially if we’re talking about the poster child for album delays. What did we know about that deal? Best Buy paid a large up front sum for the exclusive, at least seven figures, by all reports. We obtained evidence showing that the value of that exclusive was determined largely by the media hype my leaks had created. UMG had shown Best Buy charts of Google traffic for Chinese Democracy that started spiking in June, and was riding high. The iron was hot, so to speak. And before Best Buy got on board, the only heat source was the fire under my ass.
We started noticing a peculiar trend. Maybe it was all coincidence, maybe none of it was, or maybe something in between. But every time there was a major development in my case, there was a promotional event that seemed to capitalize on it. I would attend a scheduled court appearance, and a single would drop. Or the album art would be revealed. Or there was a tour announcement. I forget what lined up with what; at the time, I wasn’t sure if it was calculated, or our imaginations getting out of hand. So I wasn’t paying very close attention to that thread, but it was one that David and our PI would point out regularly.
What I do believe is that UMG used my leak to their advantage.”
Consider what happened with the storage locker leaks preceding the “Absurd”/“HS” single.
Which suggests that if we do want to hear “The General” …
A leak may indeed be what takes to get an official release.
- FlashFlood
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Re: If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you?
To better remember what happened 15 years ago around now I went looking for Skwerl’s article about the 2008 leaks on Antiquiet and it seems that site is gone? Eventually it turned up here:
https://steveleeds.wordpress.com/tag/guns-n-roses/
This part is interesting:
“The story I got from Steve was that a year prior, a friend of his, a courier of some kind, walked into Jimmy Iovine’s office, and walked out with a CD. Ten tracks; these nine, plus another version of Better that I never bothered to get from Steve.”
Oh, and this:
“Jarmo from the GNR fansite Here Today… Gone To Hell came across news of the leak. He immediately notified Fernando Santos, who checked it out, and then did a Whois lookup on Antiquiet.com to get my phone number so he could talk tough to me.”
And this, which suggests that THE BAND TAKES ACTION ONLY WHEN LEAKS OCCUR:
“Chinese Democracy was finally released on November 23rd, 2008, exclusively at Best Buy, about 20 weeks after my leaks. That’s from no concrete plans, to going up on shelves. Pretty quickly, especially if we’re talking about the poster child for album delays. What did we know about that deal? Best Buy paid a large up front sum for the exclusive, at least seven figures, by all reports. We obtained evidence showing that the value of that exclusive was determined largely by the media hype my leaks had created. UMG had shown Best Buy charts of Google traffic for Chinese Democracy that started spiking in June, and was riding high. The iron was hot, so to speak. And before Best Buy got on board, the only heat source was the fire under my ass.
We started noticing a peculiar trend. Maybe it was all coincidence, maybe none of it was, or maybe something in between. But every time there was a major development in my case, there was a promotional event that seemed to capitalize on it. I would attend a scheduled court appearance, and a single would drop. Or the album art would be revealed. Or there was a tour announcement. I forget what lined up with what; at the time, I wasn’t sure if it was calculated, or our imaginations getting out of hand. So I wasn’t paying very close attention to that thread, but it was one that David and our PI would point out regularly.
What I do believe is that UMG used my leak to their advantage.”
Consider what happened with the storage locker leaks preceding the “Absurd”/“HS” single.
Which suggests that if we do want to hear “The General” …
A leak may indeed be what takes to get an official release.
If I’m Axl, I’d want the original The General out there before the Slash/Duff version. Have your cake and eat it.
