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- Randall Flagg
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misterID wrote:I believe it was a Bush group that started the dossier, right?
I think it was Rubio...or someone on his behalf...
I feel the distinctions your making Flagg is a minor one...it seems pretty obvious that the foundation was at least built for the purposes of hurting Trump during the Republican primaries. It was initially started by Trump's opponent(s). What details were discovered when and paid for by whom is not terribly relevant in my opinion.
It’s entireky relevant when the Steele dossier portion of their research was entirely funded by the DNC and intel came directly from the kgb whom we know was attempting to sow discord
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mitchejw wrote:misterID wrote:I believe it was a Bush group that started the dossier, right?
I think it was Rubio...or someone on his behalf...
I feel the distinctions your making Flagg is a minor one...it seems pretty obvious that the foundation was at least built for the purposes of hurting Trump during the Republican primaries. It was initially started by Trump's opponent(s). What details were discovered when and paid for by whom is not terribly relevant in my opinion.
It’s entireky relevant when the Steele dossier portion of their research was entirely funded by the DNC and intel came directly from the kgb whom we know was attempting to sow discord
You can say with absolute certainty that not a single page of the 36 pages may have come from the original work done in the Republican primary? because I have never seen that distinction made so enthusiastically.
The foundation of the dirt on Trump was started during the primaries. THat's my understanding.
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In truth, when the GOP group handed it over to Clinton and the DNC they should have turned it over to the FBI. They took it further and funded more of it. They didn't use it because they didn't think they needed to. Then they strategically leaked it. The only reputable guy in the whole thing was McCain who gave it to the FEDS.
- Randall Flagg
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Re: US Politics Thread
Randall Flagg wrote:mitchejw wrote:I think it was Rubio...or someone on his behalf...
I feel the distinctions your making Flagg is a minor one...it seems pretty obvious that the foundation was at least built for the purposes of hurting Trump during the Republican primaries. It was initially started by Trump's opponent(s). What details were discovered when and paid for by whom is not terribly relevant in my opinion.
It’s entireky relevant when the Steele dossier portion of their research was entirely funded by the DNC and intel came directly from the kgb whom we know was attempting to sow discord
You can say with absolute certainty that not a single page of the 36 pages may have come from the original work done in the Republican primary? because I have never seen that distinction made so enthusiastically.
The foundation of the dirt on Trump was started during the primaries. THat's my understanding.
There is no dirt on trump. There’s accusations that Christopher Steele got from Russians, under the exclusive pay of the DNC. The entire Steele dossier was started and funded under Clinton.
Piss tapes. Trump business deals. All unproven and all from Steele.
Manafort and Gates was already known before the primary by the fbi and completely unrelated to Trump or the election.
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The only credit I give the Trump's about the "spy" meeting that gave them nothing was that they were novices who didn't know what they didn't know. Basically, junior is a moron. Manafort knew better.
Anyone think Biden has a chance in '20? I like him but don't see the DNC allowing a man, especially a white man, to pick up the nomination. Harris and Gilibrant no longer appeal to me. If Bush runs, cuz I don't think Trump will, I could vote for him seeing the Democrats have turned into a socialist, identity politics dumpster fire.
- Randall Flagg
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Re: US Politics Thread
The only credit I give the Trump's about the "spy" meeting that gave them nothing was that they were novices who didn't know what they didn't know. Basically, junior is a moron. Manafort knew better.
Anyone think Biden has a chance in '20? I like him but don't see the DNC allowing a man, especially a white man, to pick up the nomination. Harris and Gilibrant no longer appeal to me. If Bush runs, cuz I don't think Trump will, I could vote for him seeing the Democrats have turned into a socialist, identity politics dumpster fire.
I'm really hoping Biden runs in 2020. He'll get my vote. I'm sure someone will try to primary Trump, but it'll amount to nothing. The DNC is going to be a rehash of the GOP in 2016. A hundred candidates, all vying for the spotlight. If they go hard to the left with a Booker or Harriss type, they'll lose badly in the general.
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mitchejw wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:It’s entireky relevant when the Steele dossier portion of their research was entirely funded by the DNC and intel came directly from the kgb whom we know was attempting to sow discord
You can say with absolute certainty that not a single page of the 36 pages may have come from the original work done in the Republican primary? because I have never seen that distinction made so enthusiastically.
The foundation of the dirt on Trump was started during the primaries. THat's my understanding.
There is no dirt on trump. There’s accusations that Christopher Steele got from Russians, under the exclusive pay of the DNC. The entire Steele dossier was started and funded under Clinton.
Piss tapes. Trump business deals. All unproven and all from Steele.
Manafort and Gates was already known before the primary by the fbi and completely unrelated to Trump or the election.
The whole point was to dig up dirt on Trump and his campaign...that's the way I always understood...whether it's proven to be true or not is a different issue.
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misterID wrote:The only credit I give the Trump's about the "spy" meeting that gave them nothing was that they were novices who didn't know what they didn't know. Basically, junior is a moron. Manafort knew better.
Anyone think Biden has a chance in '20? I like him but don't see the DNC allowing a man, especially a white man, to pick up the nomination. Harris and Gilibrant no longer appeal to me. If Bush runs, cuz I don't think Trump will, I could vote for him seeing the Democrats have turned into a socialist, identity politics dumpster fire.
I'm really hoping Biden runs in 2020. He'll get my vote. I'm sure someone will try to primary Trump, but it'll amount to nothing. The DNC is going to be a rehash of the GOP in 2016. A hundred candidates, all vying for the spotlight. If they go hard to the left with a Booker or Harriss type, they'll lose badly in the general.
Why didn't he run last time? and does that mean Bernie will try again? They are almost the same age those two...
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Gonna try & chime in on a few subjects.
Avanatti's doing this pro-bono, so to speak. He doesn't care about getting paid, he's getting "payed" by getting his name & law firm business out there onto CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC etc... No different than Johnny Cochoran working on OJ's case. In fact I think all his lawyers took the case for minimal charges. Anyway Avanatti's set for life as far as a law career. Heck, even a book deal. A year ago he was probably some phone book attorney.
I also don't know how he's releasing some info. I really haven't followed the details too closely. I know a lawyer can 'subpoena' information, however I would think the documents need to remain confidential until the case is complete. Possibly I'm wrong on that or maybe the subpoena-er or -ee can.
Not sure about Biden 2020. Possibly. I think he's too old tho in my mind, unless he's gunning for a 1 term Presidency. Once someone hits 80 they really take a turn. I heard it said that Dems will throw out old names, until 2018 is complete, then a new batch of potentials will rise. Personally, I think Tom Wolf, governor of PA is going to run. He's curiously laid low on marijuana legalization (medical only), and wasn't outspoken over guns. There's a photo of him with Jeff Lurie and Meek Mill at a Sixers game, and I know Robert Kraft was even involved & visited Meek Mill in prison. I honestly think Lurie & Kraft are going to spearhead the financeers of his campaign getting wealthy Northeasterners to back him. We shall see but a 2nd term Governor of a swing state, who's fairly moderate yet leans left, progessive. It's just such a fit. Keep an eye out for him.
I don't think Bernie will run, if he does I don't see him getting the same rocketship launched support. He really came outta nowhere last time. I remember him just being the aloof wierd guy at the debates early on. And Biden didn't run because he (sorta) bowed out to allow for Hillary to run.
I guess I'm curious about Trump in 2020. I'm not sure whether he'll run or not. I think he doesn't want to, but his ego doesn't want to cave in. I still believe he goes down in the Mueller probe, but if not, and his Presidency is fairly in tact, I can see him skating out saying he accomplished all he set out to do. I'm not sure Jeb will run. I think he won't if he's up against Trump again (unless Trumps support is terrible), while GOPers may want 'The Good Ole Days' again like when they supported W over Gore due to 'Family Values' over a dynamite economy, I think Jeb knows he wasn't able to at all overcome what Trump was throwing at him. I see Kasich running again, Rubio only if Trump doesn't run & he looks like a frontrunner, he's still young & I think he's gonna hold out until he has that lane into the Presidency open up wide. I don't see Republicans running as many candidates this time around, or at least some won't run (Christie)
