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- monkeychow
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Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
I'm citing that as an example as to
how another band member could theoretically elect to not participate in a reunion for whatever reasons they may have, be it Slash or Izzy, etc.Ali
No offence Ali but I just don't see how it's valid as an example of that.
There were obvious specific factors applicable to that night that mostly likely influenced the anniversary boycott and none of them are applicable at RRHOF.
Yes, theoretically any member could refuse yo be involved, but there is absolutely no available data to suggest anyone but Axl would do such a thing.
Izzy: Has stated he'd love to play with the original 5 guys. Has demonstrated willingness to deal with Axl - even by appearing with the modern band.
Duff: Long known as a peacemaker in GNR and VR. Has appeared with Axl and the new band and recently went as far as appearing as an opening act for Axl.
Steven/Matt: Everyone knows steven begs for a reunion daily. Matt has also come out many times in praise of Axl's abilities as a front man. Both of them also suggested sharing drumming duties on their respective tracks.
Slash: On the record as saying if Axl approached him to reunite GNR he would "do whatever it takes to at least have a conversation about it." has stated he "wants to end the animosity" and will fast shut down anti-axl talk from an interviewer, in the past 5 years or so has always spoken respectfully and diplomatically about Axl.
Axl: Says Slash is a cancer. Says there is zero possibility of him having anything to do with him. Says death for one of them will come first.
I don't know what else I can say. Maybe in a parallell universe the reunion is not happening because of one of the other bandmates...it's theorietically possible in a quantum physics kind of way...but nothing in my reality indicates it 
- monkeychow
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Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
Here's the FACTS:
Not ONE person from the old band is doing the slightest thing to perform at the HOF, per Duff and Slash. And not one answer has mentioned Axl as the roadblock.
Jesus Christ, get over it already...
I honestly believe they don't mention Axl as the roadblock because everyone in the old band wants to keep the door open for some kind of reunion one day.
They know that bashing Axl in the media already bought them 10 years of silence and that if they do it further they'll ruin any chance in hell of fixing stuff with him again.
When I met Adler he was going on about how Axl is fucking them all over by not getting over it, then he joked to the room "Slash tells me not to talk about stuff like this".
Lets be honest here. There's something like $200 million dollars on the table if they can all just get along enough to do a tour and pretend not to hate each other for 2 hours a night on stage.
Slash is always vague about Axl and everyone comments with extreme diplomacy these days - as they all know the kind of things that set Axl off and no one is trying to make a bad situation worse.
I love Axl and his music..but everything suggests it's him that doesn't want a reunion, and hell, I'd be surprised if he didn't blatantly say so himself if you asked him. He's said before that he isn't interested many times.
- monkeychow
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Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
i think whoever blames axl isn't a guns n roses fan
I'm willing to find a way to blame robin if you like?
- monkeychow
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Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
Pop Quiz:
1. Name the GNR member that filed a counter suit against his manager and accused him of breach of trust for trying to manipulate him into a reunion.
- monkeychow
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Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
Or while I'm at it...
This is from Axl's own mouth about the RRHOF:
"It seems to mean more to some than others and more so amongst fans. It’s nice to get recognition and have some form of acceptance but in regards to joining others the price is too high and just not worth it. "
I'm done ranting but find me a quote where Slash or Duff or someone say they will not play with Axl at the RRHOF.
I don't even really have a problem that Axl doesn't want to do it, his call, but I'm going to accept the reality that it was him who made the call. Your results may vary 
Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
Or while I'm at it...
This is from Axl's own mouth about the RRHOF:
"It seems to mean more to some than others and more so amongst fans. It’s nice to get recognition and have some form of acceptance but in regards to joining others the price is too high and just not worth it. "
I'm done ranting but find me a quote where Slash or Duff or someone say they will not play with Axl at the RRHOF.
I don't even really have a problem that Axl doesn't want to do it, his call, but I'm going to accept the reality that it was him who made the call. Your results may vary
First off, public perception is obviously going to be that Axl is to blame. And that's due to his own words and actions over the years. And deep down, I think it's safe to say he doesn't want to perform with Slash anytime soon, if ever.
BUT, with all that being said, I don't belive a god damn word Slash has to say on the subject. He chooses his words so carefully and says what he thinks people want to hear and what will cast him in the most positive light. He can say he'd be open to playing with Axl if certain guidelines were met. Knowing full well that Axl won't meet those guidelines, therefore it won't happen and Axl will end up looking like the bad guy. Even if Axl said he was open to playing, Slash would come out with an opposing story and the public would believe him and Axl would look like the villain.
I'm in full agreement that Axl is against performing with Slash. I'm just not willing to accept that Slash is "ALL IN". Slash is loving life right now. He is the main attraction in his solo band, obviously. He holds all the cards, makes all the decisions, has all the power. If he were to reunite with Axl that wouldn't be the case. Hell, if he reunited with VR, that wouldn't be the case. Why do you think they've been searching for a singer for the last 4 years? He's not the innocent angel that he paints himself out to be. Just as, hold your breath, Axl isn't the antichrist that some people make him out to be.
- monkeychow
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Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
yeah ok, I'll meet you half way on that one 
Just as I've always accepted Axl writes great music but has a dark side (temper etc), I think the same about Slash - great musician - but seems to have problems maintaining relationships - sometimes overly cautious or not honest in his communications with people I'd guess.
I don't dount that for a full time reunion Slash would want terms - and that those are probably things Axl can't/won't do for him.
So at the end I don't think either one of them is the villain in the broader saga. There's no saints in GNR.
But I do think its axl blocking this show as a one-off performance.
To be fair though, it's kind of reasonable for him to do it from his perspective, he has nothing to gain by peforming with Slash and a shit load to loose.
Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
Even for this one night, I'm not so sure Slash would want to perform with Axl. More likely than a long term thing, but I'm still not sold completely. And still, he's been careful choosing his words on the subject in his own right. Saying stuff like he's not sure what will happen, or they won't play, or it'd be cool if they could cast their differences aside for one night. That all sounds well and good, and it sets up Axl to fall on the sword if they don't perform due to HIS most recent comments. Slash can't lose in the situation. Even if he doesn't want to perform, as long as he doesn't say that, he knows it's probably not going to happen and he won't be the one to blame in the public eye.
From all accounts, he was uninterested in the most recent VR one night reunion. He wants nothing to do with VR at the moment. He's basically said he's not interested in a GNR reunion at the present (ie. I haven't been in that band for so long, haven't really thought about it, a lot of things would have to be worked out before that could happen, etc. etc. etc.). So I'm not sure why we should assume he'd be so down for a one night reunion at an induction that he himself has been critical of ever since they got the nomination.
Re: RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements)
all Axl has to do is make a statement about it one way or the other. To judge the other guys because they choose their words carefully is ridiculous when the other guy either rants about it never happening or says nothing at all. the fact the other guys choose their words carefully shows they'd be willing to give it a go in my mind.
