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Re: Mitt's suspends campaign
I am a Republican, but I didn't vote in the primaries. I will vote in the general election. I am not sold on any Republican candidate so I didn't bother. I want to see how the Democratic race settles, plus who will be the VP's before deciding on my general election vote. As Randall Flagg said though, Republicans will come out of the woodwork for the general election against a female or minority candidate......very sad, but still true in the US. I personally prefer Obama to Hillary. We need young, fresh blood. Any more Bush's and Clinton's is just too much.:peace:
- Randall Flagg
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Re: Mitt's suspends campaign
"Feb. 7 (Bloomberg) -- Barack Obama's advisers are anticipating the possibility of a Democratic presidential race deadlocked past the last primary, and the outcome may hinge on a fight over whether delegations from Florida and Michigan get seats at the party's national convention in Denver.
One scenario prepared for the Illinois senator's campaign and released inadvertently yesterday with another document projects Obama will end up in June with 1,806 of the delegates who select the party's nominee to 1,789 for New York Senator Hillary Clinton. That is short of the number needed to win the nomination.
Obama, speaking with reporters traveling to Omaha on his campaign plane, said he hadn't seen the document. ``I think it's going to be close,'' he said of the nomination battle. ``Down to the wire.''
A candidate needs half of the total delegates plus one. Right now, that figure is 2,025. Any additional convention delegates would raise the amount needed to win nomination.
The Obama forecast doesn't include Florida and Michigan, which were stripped of delegates by the Democratic National Committee for holding early primaries. Clinton won both uncontested and is vowing to fight for those delegates -- which were slated to be a total of 366 -- to be seated when the nominating convention opens on Aug. 25."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080 … 2tfwvy9mug
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This is exactly what I have been trying to say.
Re: Mitt's suspends campaign
Randall, Bill O'Reilly was saying that last night....he said if it comes down to the convention and Obama is slightly ahead in delegates but not holding enough, the "super delegates" or whatever could step in and put Hillary as the nominee. There is the potential for some real corrupt stuff....damaging stuff to the Democratic party if they can't get this sorted out.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
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I think the Obama campaign is being little over zealous in their own Democratic delegate count in the end, but I don't think Hillary will have enough to out right take it. I actually see it being slightly in her favor. But I do believe Michican and Florida will eventually be counted and that of course would put her over the edge. I think that because Hillary has won the states in the primary that will ultimately play the deciding factor in the election, the super delegates will nominate her.
The Republicans have an uphill battle regardless, but I see a very real possibility of McCain winning against either candidate, but ecspecially Clinton. Obama will be able to mobilize alot of voters which could certainly tip states like Ohio in his favor.
Honestly, I think Obama should be greatful if he doesn't win this time. For the Democratic party, allowing McCain to win would probably allow them to win decisively in 2012 and many elections to come as Ann Coulter wrote today. The Iraq situation will be much different 4 years from now and the Democratic candidate could focus on issues that would be much more receptive such as socialized medicine.
If the Dems do in fact win this year, the Republicans will have a great chance to win in 2012 and successive elections. Of course either candidate could do great things in 4 years and neutralize the nay sayers.
Anyway, I stand by my prediction I've had for the past 16 months. Clinton vs. McCain with McCain winning in the end.
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If they allow Michigan and Florida to count, that's just wrong. Hilary spent time there even though it was agreed there would be no campaigning there. Obama ignored Fla., and he wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan. I'd vote for McCain if Hilary gets those delegates.
- Jimmy Zig Zag Bobiadis
- Rep: 25
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I hate Bill O'Reilly. If the guy would just admit he is a right wing social conversative I'd have more respect for him but he hides under the 'independent' blanket and its painfully obvious where his interests lie.
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This election is going to be heating up soon. I've been checking polls in Va, Oh and Tx and Clinton leads in all of them. This is truly going to be very interesting because Hillary is gonna be the spin masta trying to attack McCain on his support and strategy for the war. Health care is not going to bring her any votes she wouldn't already get and I don't see how she has any economic leverage on McCain. I believe that if the Democrats would have nominated Obama, they'd have almost sealed the deal, but I don't think that will happen.
Romney dropping out is going to allow McCain to start campaigning now rather than months out. Hopefully Huckabee will bow out graciously and not force McCain to pander to debates. The money will start to pour into the McCain campaign.
Her health care plan is a clusterfuck. McCain definitely does not have any "economic leverage" against Hillary. The McCain strategy(we are assuming he runs against Hillary) is to hammer home the absurdity of her health care plan, and when she attacks him on the war(which she will do), he has to pull a trick out of the Reagan hat, look her in the face, and give the country a "there you go again" line and start telling us how she supported the same things he did. Its literally McCain's ONLY chance. McCain is in deep shit on economic issues and for his sake he better hope this recession starts to immediately slow down(not likely). He is dead in a general election if the economy is the major factor. If he can turn the election into a vote on Hillary's mandatory health care plan and her support on the same fucking issues that McCain has, he MIGHT win. Key word there is might. McCain(or any republican) is gonna be climbing Mount Everest for the presidency because of what Bush has caused.
You're right about Huckabee. He needs to drop out so McCain can attempt to unify the party, which is going to be difficult.
Good to see you in this section Madagas.:thumbup: I rarely see you anywhere except the GNR/VR sections.
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It will be Obama vs. McCain, which is what I've always said. It will not be Clinton. Mark my words. McCain or any Republican will lose against either one. He'll lose to a larger margin against Obama. There will not be a Repulican president elected in 2008.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: Mitt's suspends campaign
It will be Obama vs. McCain, which is what I've always said. It will not be Clinton. Mark my words. McCain or any Republican will lose against either one. He'll lose to a larger margin against Obama. There will not be a Repulican president elected in 2008.
Do you care to explain why you believ this or is declaring it so enough? Don't think just because the people you associate with want a Democrat means the rest of the nation agrees. There were certain members who swore Bush would lose in '00 and '04 and look what happened. If you can articulate a thought out argument why any Democrat would win against McCain, I'd like to hear it.
