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Re: Zutaut's Thoughts On GN'R & BH
Unless those rumors that Zutaut was telling people at parties, that it was worse than what he told Classic Rock, and other public interviews.
If Bucket was indeed going in there, beating off into his hand, and flinging it on the walls, 'cause he liked the smell, just like with the wolf shit... the studio was getting unbearable.
Others have already said, they built this studio, and it reached a point where people were uncomfortable, just because of the wolf shit being in there.
I'm not trying to further sensationalize a rumor, but if true, it might not of been Axl being anti porn at all, it might've been Axl drawing a line, for the production people alone.
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Re: Zutaut's Thoughts On GN'R & BH
Unless those rumors that Zutaut was telling people at parties, that it was worse than what he told Classic Rock, and other public interviews.
If Bucket was indeed going in there, beating off into his hand, and flinging it on the walls, 'cause he liked the smell, just like with the wolf shit... the studio was getting unbearable.
Is that an actual rumour or are you kidding around?
I can see what Axl might have ment about the porn to be honest and I don't think it's all that wierd.
Music has a somewhat spiritual or possibiliy psychological element to it, the way you can listen to something and it can totally transform your mood, the way, especially in GNR songs, the whole is often more than the sum of it's parts, and the way once in a while a certain recording will seem to capture something that transends the mechanics of it, it's no longer a person hitting a note or whatever, it's like it's caught a moment in time or the actual feelings of the person for a split second. I know that sounds somewhat dramatic, but that's how I often relate to music.
Anyway i feel trying to make that process is like capturing a rainbow, and I can see that if a person was intentionally trying to capture an exact emotion into a song, then someone watching videos of an unrelated subject to the songs, especially if the video involved some kind of abuse of a person (I'm not suggesting all porn is degrading or anything, but there's certainly some out there that specalise in humiliation etc) that he would feel it's interefering in the process.
Then, as others have said. There is the "axl as boss" element to it. I mean just cos bucket can noodle while looking at something severe. what about everyone else? Does the enginer get distracted? Pretty hard to work the faders with videos of midget clowns fucking donkies on the big screen 
On a business level, sure people have to work their own way, especially artists, but there has to be some cut off where if one person's inspiration is making the workplace un-viable for others.
I mean think of these songs, madagascar, a song about not giving up hope, inspiration, forgiveness, renewal and whatever else. You are trying to capture a feeling of beauty in the song, but some other guy in the studio is making the place smell like animal turds and putting on video's of people getting hurt....
I think it was 100% the right call by Axl to say enough already.
Re: Zutaut's Thoughts On GN'R & BH
In a way it almost seems that some of the guys took advantage of being in GNR in the respects of how they wanted to record their parts. Buckethead had the studio turned upside down into a damn chicken coop, and Brain recorded his parts in a Masonic Temple or whatever story that was. I don't think those were Axl's ideas. Those things were a trite unnecessary and a waste of money if you really look at it. Of course there were many more examples of money being wasted and obviously Axl played a huge part in that as well, but I'm just saying. Does Bucket record his own material in a chicken coop? Does Brain record his own material in a Masonic Temple? You could argue they were taking advantage of the GNR brand name.
Re: Zutaut's Thoughts On GN'R & BH
In a way it almost seems that some of the guys took advantage of being in GNR in the respects of how they wanted to record their parts. Buckethead had the studio turned upside down into a damn chicken coop, and Brain recorded his parts in a Masonic Temple or whatever story that was. I don't think those were Axl's ideas. Those things were a trite unnecessary and a waste of money if you really look at it. Of course there were many more examples of money being wasted and obviously Axl played a huge part in that as well, but I'm just saying. Does Bucket record his own material in a chicken coop? Does Brain record his own material in a Masonic Temple? You could argue they were taking advantage of the GNR brand name.
Good point, but I think it had more to do with "how much bullshit can we get away with in this insane project?" than intentionally trying to take advantage of Axl.
The CD project was absurd on many levels, and slowly the members are starting to admit this(most notably Stinson in his interview a few months back).
Hopefully one day Bucket opens up about his tenure in the band.
Re: Zutaut's Thoughts On GN'R & BH
Yeah I don't necessarily think Bucket or Brain had ill intentions. Brain especially seemed to want to make the recordings of his parts special and epic because it was GNR, and was allowed to. So I'm not saying he was wrong for doing so, or Bucket for that matter. Just that Axl was far from alone when it came to wasting money on the project, because that's all you ever really hear.
Re: Zutaut's Thoughts On GN'R & BH
Yeah I don't necessarily think Bucket or Brain had ill intentions. Brain especially seemed to want to make the recordings of his parts special and epic because it was GNR, and was allowed to. So I'm not saying he was wrong for doing so, or Bucket for that matter. Just that Axl was far from alone when it came to wasting money on the project, because that's all you ever really hear.
Oh I agree. All involved played a role in the absurdity of the project. Stinson seems to maybe have his hands clean since in the silent years he really seemed to have a genuine interest in getting the record out and touring behind it.
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Re: Zutaut's Thoughts On GN'R & BH
In a way it almost seems that some of the guys took advantage of being in GNR in the respects of how they wanted to record their parts. Buckethead had the studio turned upside down into a damn chicken coop, and Brain recorded his parts in a Masonic Temple or whatever story that was. I don't think those were Axl's ideas. Those things were a trite unnecessary and a waste of money if you really look at it. Of course there were many more examples of money being wasted and obviously Axl played a huge part in that as well, but I'm just saying. Does Bucket record his own material in a chicken coop? Does Brain record his own material in a Masonic Temple? You could argue they were taking advantage of the GNR brand name.
I 100% agree. In particular that Masonic Temple story always bothered me a lot. Perhaps the interview made Brain come across differently to how he ment it, but I think he said something like "This was a Guns N’ Roses album — it had to be overblown."
I always read that as sounding like someone who had watched the excesses of the UYI tour and had an image in his head of GNR as some kind of indulgent rock band (the kind of picture Cobain used to paint of the band) and was bascily spending money and doing somehting extravagant simply for the sake of it. When realisticly, spending months re-doing freezes parts note for note would have covered the excess angle nicely enough. But the whole temple thing just came across to me as someone who wants to create a mythology to the album and have a "we're excessive rock stars" story to tell.
No disrespect to brain in sayin that, he's a good drummer and it could be a function of the interview being out of context - i'm just saying that's how it read to me.
And I found that interesting given Axl shoulders a lot of the blame for the cost, and to some extent I think others associated with the project either saw a blank cheque and went to town, or had some kind of lavish mindset about the project for no real reason.
I can see you want to get the right sound, and pay what is necessary to do that, and get the right inspiration, but how much of these things are doing that and how much of it was taking advantage of the situation....was Soothsayer recorded in a chickencoop? Inspiration is one thing...pushing stuff too far is another. When people are building chickencoops and when the drummer basicly says he set up somewhere more expensive cos it felt right for the brand to waste money...I start to think maybe the fault on this one should be shared...I know Axl has final say and seems to take his time with stuff, but some of these people were bleeding the process too IMO.
Re: Zutaut's Thoughts On GN'R & BH
If you want to look at it from the other point of view though, if Axl was present more when Bucket and Brain were recording their parts, and if I recall correctly his attendance wasn't exemplary, he could've put a stop to those things before they started or got out of hand. It's like in school when your regular teacher isn't in and you have a substitute. You try to get away with as much as you can. "Axl usually has us record in a Masonic Temple".
So I do agree, these things were unnecessary but there weren't any restrictions.
Re: Zutaut's Thoughts On GN'R & BH
Well, the temple thing, if you remember -
The recording studio was IN an old temple, and the meeting hall was intact, according to the story. It was just 'where' in the 'studio' you were going to record. They didn't leave the studio, they just used a different part of it.
Re: Zutaut's Thoughts On GN'R & BH
Axlin08 wrote:Unless those rumors that Zutaut was telling people at parties, that it was worse than what he told Classic Rock, and other public interviews.
If Bucket was indeed going in there, beating off into his hand, and flinging it on the walls, 'cause he liked the smell, just like with the wolf shit... the studio was getting unbearable.
Is that an actual rumour or are you kidding around?
Back when the Classic Rock Zutaut interview was "news", there was a guy floating around on all the boards, that posted under different names at each place, that was not a big poster, but not a troll either. He claimed he hung out with Zutaut, and Zutaut's "entourage" as some party, and he asked him about the statements from the magazine, and Zutaut went into more detail.
One of the things he "claimed" Zutaut told him, was the story I said above about the jizzlobbing, and when that happened, that's when Axl pulled Bucket to the side to say something, and that Bucket listened to Axl and Axl thought he got across to him, but after Axl left, Bucket flipped, and was pissed as hell, and it was the beginning of the end of the relationship between Bucket & GN'R.
Like I said, "if". Take it with a mighty MIGHTY dose of salt. We all know about the "my friend's sister's cousin's brother's girlfriend's auntie's boss told her that..." kind of rumors, and this was one.
