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Re: What did Axl consider to be "Big Guns"
Is that a lie or a change of plan though? a lot of things changed between when he said that and when the album was released. If bucket had remained with the band, and dynamics had worked better, they may have recorded countless new songs and that stuff may have been B sides. But it didn't go that way.
I believe CD the album was thrown together to clear debt. It wasn't supposed to be that way, but when the opportunity came via Azoff, Axl took the stuff that was already out there and threw it on an album and released it as CD. Who knows what was really intended to be CD. I think there is material Axl thinks is better somewhere, but I'm not convinced it will ever see the light of day legally.
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Re: What did Axl consider to be "Big Guns"
I believe CD the album was thrown together to clear debt. It wasn't supposed to be that way, but when the opportunity came via Azoff, Axl took the stuff that was already out there and threw it on an album and released it as CD. Who knows what was really intended to be CD. I think there is material Axl thinks is better somewhere, but I'm not convinced it will ever see the light of day legally.
Sounds quite plausable. Makes a lot of sence from their perspective too - it ends the burden of the endless wait for an album, media humiliation over it, and it gets their prefered versions into the world of the tracks rather than what he'd consider incomplete, meanwhile pays off all the debts and kinda resets things. Seems like a good call in that regard,
I think over time, and with changing members, the plans for CD have been changed a number of times. From longer albums, to double albums, to focusing on new sounds and all kinds of different ideas that have come and gone. But that's part of the creative process.
In terms of this album, I think "This I love" and TWAT and perhaps Prostitute are fairly dramatic songs compared to a simpler song like IRS. Especially when you consider that when that comment was said all of the songs were likely being reworked. I also think the "big guns" comment was one of those things that got hyped up well beyond its logical meaning by the fanbase - prob due to the wait and silecnce from the band - but - yeah - its kinda a throw away comment IMO that says theres even more cool stuff if you like IRS...which was true....but now cos of the way shit unfolded people started expecting jesus and that wasn't ever going to happen.
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Re: What did Axl consider to be "Big Guns"
I believe CD the album was thrown together to clear debt. It wasn't supposed to be that way, but when the opportunity came via Azoff, Axl took the stuff that was already out there and threw it on an album and released it as CD. Who knows what was really intended to be CD. I think there is material Axl thinks is better somewhere, but I'm not convinced it will ever see the light of day legally.
I agree with this.
Re: What did Axl consider to be "Big Guns"
The whole "big Guns" phrase didn't get coined until people were having mixed to negative reactions to CD, Street of Dreams, Riad & Maddy being played live.
I think when they referenced "big Guns", they were referring to If The World, TWAT, Sorry, This I Love & Prostitute, all of which are grandeur in structure.
Re: What did Axl consider to be "Big Guns"
CD were never thought of as a single in the old days. It was just a song they did which they wasn't planning on pushing forward in any way. Interestingly enough, that's just what they did. That to me tells me that Axl thought of other songs as single material. Considering that releasing an epic song like Prostitute as single doesn't work well, I'd say Axl had his eyes set on 'Better' or some song that was never released on the album.
Im sure there are 30-40 songs somewhere lying around....Axl just don't wanna admit to it because it will pressure him. Actually, there might be MORE songs than that. But none of them is playing that card anymore because it's so up in the air if those songs will ever be out. Better not tell and not have people pissed off knowing you got 3 more albums done and not finding a way to release it.
Not saying any of those songs are better than anything else though...just saying I think they're there.
Re: What did Axl consider to be "Big Guns"
I think Axl thinks they are better. They may not be, but I think he thinks they are. He paid off his debt with a piece of crap, half-assed record. He figured he could save the "good" stuff for later not realizing that the "bad" stuff was so bad that nobody will want to hear whatever comes next.
Re: What did Axl consider to be "Big Guns"
I don't know.
Maybe we've heard them, maybe we've not.
It's an impossible question to answer.
